Pscarb

the problem i have with HIIT cardio is when dieting on low calories it can and normally does burn muscle i know this from personal experience :(

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mindmuscle

I've used cardio similar to Paul with great success. However a mate of mine who competes is dead against doing any cardio and argues that it leads to too much muscle wastage etc. He's down to 5% BF now without any cardio at all and is doing his best to persuade me not to do any cardio, and just rely on diet alone. What do you think about this?
He also is trying to persuade me not to do any carb cycling and stay on permanently low carbs ( 75g ED ). He's more or less permanently in ketosis and won’t listen to my points as to the value of carb cycling.
Your advice would be appreciated!

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am1ev1l

I find this too, unless I'm on a cycle and my calorie intake is quite high. But IMO is waaaay easier to control diet and throw in some low intensity cardio (anything will do). HIIT is good training for athletes/boxers but not for BBers when cutting.

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Bigger&Stronger

I totally agree mate. I don't think HIIT would be advisable when preparing for a bodybuilding contest or any sort of extreme dieting phase.

But I think it's a great piece of ****nal to have on hand and I would recommend it to people 'off season' to maintain cardiorespiratory health so long as it didn't cause any decrement to their lifting.

Ollie B

buy a mountain bike and get out there. More fun and less boring.

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Pscarb

i think he is one of the luckiest gits around their is a gifted junoir in my gym he trains with stuart core he is 19 and either this year or next will win the british, he competed last year and did no cardio and dieted on 300g of carbs got i hate him some can do this but many cannot only know what it takes to get your body in to shape.
i dont like constant low carb diets i have tried them and they do work but you waste to much muscle in the process carb cycling for me any way is by far the best way to go...

if he is on 75g of carbs a day then he is not in ketosis i believe the amount would have to be less than 30g

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benst

I am trying pscarb diet that is a sticky in the looseing weight section.
I am 85kg 5.9" 17% bodyfat


6 hole eggs

2 scoop whey protien in water with one tablespoon peanutbutter

8 oz of meat with green salad

2 scoops whey protien in water one tablespoonof peanutbutter

8oz of meat 1 handfull of nuts

8oz of meat 1 handfull of nuts

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Pscarb

how long have you been folowing this dioet mate? how much have you lost in that time?

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mindmuscle

That's what I was thinking as well, but he reckons that when he gets up in the morning he's not in ketosis, but then gets into mild ketosis for most of the day. The carbs he gets are from about 30g dry all bran for fibre, a bit from his protein shakes and from a bit of ketchup. It amounts to about 70g. He's 200lb at 5%

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mookie

does anyone else get really tight shins doing an incline? i walked at 6.5k on an incline last night and by 6 min i had to drop as muscle on outside of shin got sore and really tight, more so in my left leg.

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Robsta

Exactly what i get mate.....

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mookie

do you avoid it or just grin and bear it? i tried but it was more a grimace and stop

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Robsta

I normally change to the x trainer if it get's too bad. I find I suffer from it more when I'm heavy rather than when I'm cutting...

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benst

only just statred it this week so dont no how much ive lost yet

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Bigger&Stronger

Looks ok mate so far, take it you don't handle carbs very well?

Definitely add some more green, leafy vegetables like spinach to get more fibre in, it seems a bit low on fibre at the moment, they may add a few more carbs but it's minimal.

Are you taking a multivitamin at the moment? When you go low carb your diet is basically devoid of B-vitamins and they're crucial for energy metabolism.

Have a carb refeed every week (depending on tolerance) to kickstart your thyroid and keep the metabolism revved. You may put on some weight during this time (5kgs or more isn't uncommon) but don't panic it's mainly water and glycogen.

Let us know how you get on.