went too low on squating - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Killerkeane · 17-05-2004, 05:11 PM

did too much weight the other day and couldnt get the hook thing clipped (smith machine) So i very slowly went down trying to push it back up again, and literally got squashed, all my gym partners was lookin at me, i was embarrased but i put a brave face on for the audience, at least i have learned not too much put too hard for squats, i never want to do that again.

**robdog** · 17-05-2004, 05:21 PM

why didnt your gym partners give you a hand mate?? you should get a spot when going heavy dude.

Panthro · 17-05-2004, 06:40 PM

dont use a smithy for squats!!!!!

Z3R0-CooL · 17-05-2004, 07:05 PM

i'd say dont use smithy for nothing.. but thats just me

Killerkeane · 17-05-2004, 08:04 PM

i know but it was busy that day and i wanted to get on with it, ive actually done my right kneecap in after that, gonna take 2 weeks off cas there is some swelling, stupid i know but i have definetly learned how careful you have to be and having the right technique

Panthro · 17-05-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Z3R0-CooL

i'd say dont use smithy for nothing.. but thats just me

yep, exactly, its only useful as a towel rack.. and to keep geeks out of the squat rack... and to keep geeks of the 'real bench'... so it does have a couple of uses actually...

Killerkeane · 17-05-2004, 09:39 PM

panthro no offense buddy but you have been weightlifting fanatically for a number of years judging by the size of you, these "geeks" are normally starters in the gym. Just cas you are a little more knowledgeable and determined than other people doesnt mean that they are geeks. Im not small and not big by any means but if i was small, i would'nt want the more experienced massive guys thinking that about me. I just dont think "geeks" are the right word to guys that are begiinning bodybuilding, i have introduced a couple of my mates to it and they arnt geeks jsut cas they use smithy to learn their limits etc.
This is not a go at you panthro, just think the word "geeks" and the concept of the towel rail is'nt right.

Jock · 17-05-2004, 10:20 PM

Hey bro don't worry about it, Panthro is just venting his feelings at the Smith machine, and TBH I agree with him.

I'm not a big guy (5'8" 182lbs) but I make sure I train hard using the big compound movements, although I cannot match the big guys in my gym when it comes to exercises like the bench press or barbell curl, but I fancy my chances of at least matching the big guys at the squat and deadlift (having said that none of them over do them anyway)

The Smith machine really is a useless bit of kit. It lets you think you are stronger than you actually are and it's limited range of motion does not allow 'core' stabilizer muscles to develop which leads to and undeveloped physique and injury.

You don't have to be a big guy to get my respect, as long as you train hard using heavy olympic exercises on a regular basis then you are not a geek in my book.

A guy can weigh 250lbs, have 18" biceps and a 50" chest but unless he has the commitment to do ass-busting, nauseating, head-spinning heavy squats or deadlifts every week then he is as much of a geek as any beginner.

JMO, Jock

Panthro · 17-05-2004, 10:21 PM

lol.. .i think you have taken that a little too serious... lol... the whole post was tongue in cheek..

and the concept of a towel rail is right.. im sure you will find 90% of people will agree with me on this..

Panthro · 17-05-2004, 10:22 PM

spot on jock my friend!

**hackskii** · 17-05-2004, 10:52 PM

I use the smith machine some times for shrugs.
I do notice alot of guys use it for their bench, incline and military presses. I know that they use it because the bar is counterweighted or something the bar feels like 0 lbs. So the guys use it for bench when they cant do a plate on the bar. So they use the smith machine and use like a plate or so which would be really like 100 lbs.

I do use the smith machine sometimes for behind the neck military press. I do them really slow and deep but this does bother my shoulder some but gives it a good pump.

I would not use the smith for squats as you have a natural groove and you wont follow that groove following the path that the bar is going. In fact if your bar does not follow the path then your body will and this is just asking for injury.

I would use the cage (when you heal up) go light and get some good form down. Have some guys watch you that do squats and have them tell you what you are doing. It is hard to look into the mirror and see what you are supposed to be doing because you should be looking up while squatting. Have a mate check your form.
You can use the bars to make a stopping spot for the bar and you wont have the problem you had before.

You will get better legs with the free weight than the other anyway.

Hope you get better bro.

**Great White** · 17-05-2004, 10:52 PM

Sorry,

Closing, cause I can see this getting outta hand.

17-05-2004, 05:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Killerkeane The Geezer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Somerset although im not proud lol. Posts: 2,978	went too low on squating did too much weight the other day and couldnt get the hook thing clipped (smith machine) So i very slowly went down trying to push it back up again, and literally got squashed, all my gym partners was lookin at me, i was embarrased but i put a brave face on for the audience, at least i have learned not too much put too hard for squats, i never want to do that again. __________________ Fortes Fortuna Paratus Mens-Fortune favours the prepared mind.:amen:

17-05-2004, 06:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,509	dont use a smithy for squats!!!!! __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

17-05-2004, 07:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
Z3R0-CooL Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: SouthWest London Posts: 369	i'd say dont use smithy for nothing.. but thats just me __________________ Remember: "Drugs should be utilized to maximize the results of a proper lifestyle, both training and DIET. They are not there to correct your errors." "Knowledge is Power. Keep Educating yourself!!"

17-05-2004, 08:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
Killerkeane The Geezer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Somerset although im not proud lol. Posts: 2,978	i know but it was busy that day and i wanted to get on with it, ive actually done my right kneecap in after that, gonna take 2 weeks off cas there is some swelling, stupid i know but i have definetly learned how careful you have to be and having the right technique __________________ Fortes Fortuna Paratus Mens-Fortune favours the prepared mind.:amen:

17-05-2004, 09:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Killerkeane The Geezer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Somerset although im not proud lol. Posts: 2,978	panthro no offense buddy but you have been weightlifting fanatically for a number of years judging by the size of you, these "geeks" are normally starters in the gym. Just cas you are a little more knowledgeable and determined than other people doesnt mean that they are geeks. Im not small and not big by any means but if i was small, i would'nt want the more experienced massive guys thinking that about me. I just dont think "geeks" are the right word to guys that are begiinning bodybuilding, i have introduced a couple of my mates to it and they arnt geeks jsut cas they use smithy to learn their limits etc. This is not a go at you panthro, just think the word "geeks" and the concept of the towel rail is'nt right. __________________ Fortes Fortuna Paratus Mens-Fortune favours the prepared mind.:amen:

17-05-2004, 05:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
robdog UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Home!! Posts: 5,685	why didnt your gym partners give you a hand mate?? you should get a spot when going heavy dude.

17-05-2004, 10:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,069	Hey bro don't worry about it, Panthro is just venting his feelings at the Smith machine, and TBH I agree with him. I'm not a big guy (5'8" 182lbs) but I make sure I train hard using the big compound movements, although I cannot match the big guys in my gym when it comes to exercises like the bench press or barbell curl, but I fancy my chances of at least matching the big guys at the squat and deadlift (having said that none of them over do them anyway) The Smith machine really is a useless bit of kit. It lets you think you are stronger than you actually are and it's limited range of motion does not allow 'core' stabilizer muscles to develop which leads to and undeveloped physique and injury. You don't have to be a big guy to get my respect, as long as you train hard using heavy olympic exercises on a regular basis then you are not a geek in my book. A guy can weigh 250lbs, have 18" biceps and a 50" chest but unless he has the commitment to do ass-busting, nauseating, head-spinning heavy squats or deadlifts every week then he is as much of a geek as any beginner. JMO, Jock __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

17-05-2004, 10:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,509	lol.. .i think you have taken that a little too serious... lol... the whole post was tongue in cheek.. and the concept of a towel rail is right.. im sure you will find 90% of people will agree with me on this.. __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

17-05-2004, 10:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,509	spot on jock my friend! __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

17-05-2004, 10:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,635	I use the smith machine some times for shrugs. I do notice alot of guys use it for their bench, incline and military presses. I know that they use it because the bar is counterweighted or something the bar feels like 0 lbs. So the guys use it for bench when they cant do a plate on the bar. So they use the smith machine and use like a plate or so which would be really like 100 lbs. I do use the smith machine sometimes for behind the neck military press. I do them really slow and deep but this does bother my shoulder some but gives it a good pump. I would not use the smith for squats as you have a natural groove and you wont follow that groove following the path that the bar is going. In fact if your bar does not follow the path then your body will and this is just asking for injury. I would use the cage (when you heal up) go light and get some good form down. Have some guys watch you that do squats and have them tell you what you are doing. It is hard to look into the mirror and see what you are supposed to be doing because you should be looking up while squatting. Have a mate check your form. You can use the bars to make a stopping spot for the bar and you wont have the problem you had before. You will get better legs with the free weight than the other anyway. Hope you get better bro. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 17-05-2004 at 10:54 PM.

17-05-2004, 10:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
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