Form vs Weight - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Fitchick · 01-06-2006, 11:45 AM

Ok, in the gym last night i tried to do an incline chest press with the 12kg D'bell when ive not long been using the 10's. My form went completley!
The guy next to me said not to worry and that it was all about the weight and that form doesnt matter!

This contradicts everything that i have read! Who is correct? (if either of us are)

Is there a Wrong way to lift??
:help: Please

Stevo · 01-06-2006, 12:26 PM

Personally i think form matters most as you feel the muscle your trying to work throughout the rep and then add a little weight , But I must admit sometimes I do a few cheat reps at the end of my last set to get total failure !!

Stevo

Ironman · 01-06-2006, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitchick

Ok, in the gym last night i tried to do an incline chest press with the 12kg D'bell when ive not long been using the 10's. My form went completley!
The guy next to me said not to worry and that it was all about the weight and that form doesnt matter!

This contradicts everything that i have read! Who is correct? (if either of us are)

Is there a Wrong way to lift??
:help: Please

Form is everything imo - with to heavy a weight and bad form your wasting your time, you wont be working the muscle fully - higher risk of injury etc.
If youve gone up 2k on a press and your form goes then your not ready for the increase in weight yet.
How many reps with good form could you achieve with the 10k dumbells?

Bump for Crazy Mick who uses this weight range

**big** · 01-06-2006, 01:08 PM

Never EVER sacrafice form for weight. You could do yourself damage if you relax your form and throw around a weight that's too heavy for you.

You should be putting up the weight you're lifting regularly, but never do this at the expense of your form.

Tatyana · 01-06-2006, 01:28 PM

Hey hun,

I have found out that just a handful of guys in the gym actually know what they are talking about.

They will think cause you are a girl, that you will know nothing about BBing.

For most lads learning how to train properly is sort of like that asking directions thing.l

One reason why online sites are SO popular.

Try and work the heavier dumbells in after a warmup set, like for your first set, and then drop the weight and do more reps.

A lot of it is the mental focus thing.

x
x
x
T

Littleluke · 01-06-2006, 03:47 PM

If you use bad form when training you will not hit the muscle group as well as when you use good form..

DB · 01-06-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lukeybigarms

If you use bad form when training you will not hit the muscle group as well as when you use good form..

mmmm depends how bad the form is... the reason to keep your form strict is more so to do with injuries! imo

Littleluke · 01-06-2006, 04:11 PM

but you obviously hit the muscle more when using good form for example on a bench if you are not sqeezing your chest and sticking it out a bit then you'll be using your triceps more than your chest.

paul m · 01-06-2006, 04:28 PM

imo form is important but the aim of the game is progress although the 12s were to heavy this time round it doesnt mean in a week or two if you try add a rep each week with the 10s that you wont be able to handle them and do a set with proper form. this will show that your training is productive and that you are progressing using the same weights for the same reps even with good form wont produce results.

**Tinytom** · 01-06-2006, 04:53 PM

Recently I have backed off from my heaviest weights and focussed on ROM more.

This has had a great impact in my physique and I am harder and bigger all over. I also feel I have done more work on the muscle and my joints are less sore.

I know there's a lot of factors involved in growth but I have definately noticed the difference.

The stress on the muscle is tantamount to progress IMO. By cheating the weight up you release the stress from the muscle momentarily allowing a rest. This does not force the muscle to grow.

I do utilise some forced reps on a few exercises but not every time. Most of the time I simply drop the weight and keep going.

This has been my training style for the last year or so and it definately has given me improvements. Although sometimes I can't resist a big lift.

**hackskii** · 01-06-2006, 10:40 PM

Form over weight any day.
Injury comes to mind first and foremost.

Ironman · 02-06-2006, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinytom

Recently I have backed off from my heaviest weights and focussed on ROM more.

This has had a great impact in my physique and I am harder and bigger all over. I also feel I have done more work on the muscle and my joints are less sore.

I know there's a lot of factors involved in growth but I have definately noticed the difference.

The stress on the muscle is tantamount to progress IMO. By cheating the weight up you release the stress from the muscle momentarily allowing a rest. This does not force the muscle to grow.

I do utilise some forced reps on a few exercises but not every time. Most of the time I simply drop the weight and keep going.

This has been my training style for the last year or so and it definately has given me improvements. Although sometimes I can't resist a big lift.

Whats ROM dude

**Tinytom** · 02-06-2006, 11:32 AM

Range of Motion mate.

I always go for a full stretch now.

BIG-UNC · 02-06-2006, 01:14 PM

if your not doing the full range of movement then your not gonna get the full effect of the exercise therefore your gonna b out of proportion

ie if your doing curls but only do half the range then your only gonna grow at the part your working

full rom over weight all the time

**Tinytom** · 02-06-2006, 02:31 PM

Not strictly true UNC.

The muscle will be worked throughout but not to the same degree so the stretch intensifies the work applied to the muscle.

I think it's something like

Distance (ROM) x weight = Muscular Stress

A fitness Bod will be able to clarify this.

The muscle will not misform due to decreased range of motion but you may get abnormalities in adjoining muscles which may assist during certain areas of the movement e.g. At the bottom point of the Bicep curl the front delt tie ins will be stressed as a stabiliser muscle and also the triceps as an antagonist. This helps to develop a more balanced physique.

There is a theory of peak stress whereby you only work the muscle through a small ROM but with maximal weight to facilitate an increased IGF response to the stress.

However that is a technique best left to advanced trainers because of the potential for injury.

01-06-2006, 11:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fitchick Abi Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 114	Form vs Weight Ok, in the gym last night i tried to do an incline chest press with the 12kg D'bell when ive not long been using the 10's. My form went completley! The guy next to me said not to worry and that it was all about the weight and that form doesnt matter! This contradicts everything that i have read! Who is correct? (if either of us are) Is there a Wrong way to lift?? :help: Please

01-06-2006, 01:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
big UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The only side effect of steroids is GREATNESS Posts: 5,416	Never EVER sacrafice form for weight. You could do yourself damage if you relax your form and throw around a weight that's too heavy for you. You should be putting up the weight you're lifting regularly, but never do this at the expense of your form. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Littleluke Junior Bodybuilder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK. Posts: 3,213	but you obviously hit the muscle more when using good form for example on a bench if you are not sqeezing your chest and sticking it out a bit then you'll be using your triceps more than your chest. __________________ Luke Bartram - Sponsored by BODITRONICS Enter uk-muscle1 as your coupon code when shopping at boditronics to recieve 30% off RRP. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "I do it because I can, I can because I want to, I want to because you said I couldn't" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 2008 UKBFF South Coast - Runner Up 2008 Muscle Mayhem - 2nd place (qualified for NABBA Novice Britain)

01-06-2006, 04:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,893	Recently I have backed off from my heaviest weights and focussed on ROM more. This has had a great impact in my physique and I am harder and bigger all over. I also feel I have done more work on the muscle and my joints are less sore. I know there's a lot of factors involved in growth but I have definately noticed the difference. The stress on the muscle is tantamount to progress IMO. By cheating the weight up you release the stress from the muscle momentarily allowing a rest. This does not force the muscle to grow. I do utilise some forced reps on a few exercises but not every time. Most of the time I simply drop the weight and keep going. This has been my training style for the last year or so and it definately has given me improvements. Although sometimes I can't resist a big lift. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

01-06-2006, 12:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Stevo Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 89	Personally i think form matters most as you feel the muscle your trying to work throughout the rep and then add a little weight , But I must admit sometimes I do a few cheat reps at the end of my last set to get total failure !! Stevo

01-06-2006, 01:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tatyana My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On my bloody bike doing cardio Posts: 3,463	Hey hun, I have found out that just a handful of guys in the gym actually know what they are talking about. They will think cause you are a girl, that you will know nothing about BBing. For most lads learning how to train properly is sort of like that asking directions thing.l One reason why online sites are SO popular. Try and work the heavier dumbells in after a warmup set, like for your first set, and then drop the weight and do more reps. A lot of it is the mental focus thing. x x x T

01-06-2006, 04:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
paul m Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 81	imo form is important but the aim of the game is progress although the 12s were to heavy this time round it doesnt mean in a week or two if you try add a rep each week with the 10s that you wont be able to handle them and do a set with proper form. this will show that your training is productive and that you are progressing using the same weights for the same reps even with good form wont produce results.

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02-06-2006, 11:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,893	Range of Motion mate. I always go for a full stretch now. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

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BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 1,945	if your not doing the full range of movement then your not gonna get the full effect of the exercise therefore your gonna b out of proportion ie if your doing curls but only do half the range then your only gonna grow at the part your working full rom over weight all the time __________________ UKM's Uncle Hackskii's buddy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

02-06-2006, 02:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,893	Not strictly true UNC. The muscle will be worked throughout but not to the same degree so the stretch intensifies the work applied to the muscle. I think it's something like Distance (ROM) x weight = Muscular Stress A fitness Bod will be able to clarify this. The muscle will not misform due to decreased range of motion but you may get abnormalities in adjoining muscles which may assist during certain areas of the movement e.g. At the bottom point of the Bicep curl the front delt tie ins will be stressed as a stabiliser muscle and also the triceps as an antagonist. This helps to develop a more balanced physique. There is a theory of peak stress whereby you only work the muscle through a small ROM but with maximal weight to facilitate an increased IGF response to the stress. However that is a technique best left to advanced trainers because of the potential for injury. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage