davetherave

i went for
chest and triceps


i have done chest and biceps in the past but found i struggled to work my biceps hard enough on the chest day and my triceps hard enough on the back day

also biceps were hit twice a week and triceps 4 times a week so with the current split theyre hit 2 or 3 times

what works for you though

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hackskii

Not really.

Think of it this way in general.
Any pushing exercises will envolve triceps
Any pulling exercises will envolve biceps

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Scott

adamdutton

i have always trained chest and shoulders on seperate days by them selves but my shoulders never seen to ache the next day which is annoying, then last week i did chest and shoulders together doing chest first and my chest was pumped then i did shoulders and it felt alot better my shoulders were fully pumped i could see my self changing shape in the mirror while i trained and the next day they were aching, so i think i will train chest and shoulders together from now on.

Blofeld

Wow, never thought of it like that, makes the understanding so simple! but with the amount of people who train chest with triceps, I'm guessing it's not a bad combo? Does it matter that the tricep is already worked hard from pushing for the chest?

hackskii

No, some guys train chest with triceps as the triceps are pre-fetigued and wont need much hammering, in fact if you pound them you will for sure overtrain them.
If you incourperated dips in with chest, you can get away with probably doing zero for treicps as far as isolation is concerned.

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Scott

nathanlowe

Good chest and triceps workouts generally contain

Bench Press - Barbell or Dumbbell
Incline or Decline Press - Barbell or Dumbbell
Dips
Close Grip Bench Press

That would be very good and hit both the chest and triceps sufficiently.

Blofeld

So if I train triceps with chest, I should ditch the push downs and extensions I currently do in favour of dips?

hackskii

Totally.
For one, compound lifts over isolation.
Doing dips will finish off the lower chest as well as hit the triceps in a similar fashion as pushdowns, but one is a compound exercise (multiple joint), and the other one is not.

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Blofeld

Ok, nice one. That works for me, I always struggle with pushdowns but can do 3 sets of dips ok. Thanks for the info.

(+ rep).

davetherave

further to nathans list you can substitute close grip bench for skull crushers

the list he has put up is my exact routine but skulls are good too

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Big three
bench 110kg (for5)
deadlift 140kg (for5)
for the rest please see my journal

Blofeld

Are skull crushers the ones on cables pulled into the head? (Saw someone doing these but didn't know the name)

Lost Soul

See my post on flys scott as biceps are a synergist which may lead some to feel recruitment or DOMS in the bis during/after chest (if they include flys)
I can't think of any others though which would lead to biceps feeling worked

davetherave

you can do them with cables but a barbell is a better alternative

basically bring the bar down to the forehead with the elbows tucked in (i think) and then extend the arms back

i personally get on better with close grip bench though as skulls fook me elbows up

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Much like this .......

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Big three
bench 110kg (for5)
deadlift 140kg (for5)
for the rest please see my journal

hackskii

I do agree with this, but I dont do flys myself, they feel like they put my shoulders at risk to injury.
Not only that I know why they are used but most dont use them for the proper application they were ment to be used for.
So with that I dont incourperate them nor suggest their use.
In reality, they are great for fascia stretching, but serve little purpose outside of that.
At the end of a chest routine, using them for a good stretch after a good pump then cool, otherwise................nah...............lol

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Scott

RK86

Chest and Tri's for me