Best to cut, or bulk first? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Noodlenex · 03-03-2005, 12:00 PM

After I finish my current cycle I'm left with two choices, either I can cut down and try and lose the slight flab around my waist I've aquired, or I could continue to bulk up using whey and a high calorie diet regardless and cut down later. Which do you think is best first?

TYSON · 03-03-2005, 01:13 PM

It took me a while to agree with others on this topic but in the end i agreed and it would be better to cut first, unless you have a low bf any way it wouldnt matter too much

**big** · 03-03-2005, 01:19 PM

What's your current bodyfat percentage and your goals?

DB · 03-03-2005, 01:25 PM

depends on how much fat ur carrying mate... if its under 15% no worries..... above 20% i'd lose abit b4 i up the cals again imo

Remember bulking is not an excuse to put on alot of fat and eat sh1te... bulkin is eating high amount of cals but still cleanish..

**robdog** · 03-03-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dirty barry

depends on how much fat ur carrying mate... if its under 15% no worries..... above 20% i'd lose abit b4 i up the cals again imo

Remember bulking is not an excuse to put on alot of fat and eat sh1te... bulkin is eating high amount of cals but still cleanish..

Good adivice. Clean bulking is they way to go. What ever you eat while cutting eat while bulking just increase the pertions ten fold lol.

SportDr · 03-03-2005, 02:24 PM

If you are finishing your cycle then you should carry on bulking till the end of your PCT IMO too.

If at the end of that your BF is high (above 15%) then as the others said, cut for a while then bulk again, this will also stop your body adapting too much and keep it guessing.

SD

ChefX · 03-03-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Noodlenex

After I finish my current cycle I'm left with two choices, either I can cut down and try and lose the slight flab around my waist I've aquired, or I could continue to bulk up using whey and a high calorie diet regardless and cut down later. Which do you think is best first?

If over 14% bodyfat I'd cut
If your down around 10% I'd bulk

If in between... then choose what you need most aka do you have a special event coming up? do you hate dieting? ect

**hackskii** · 03-03-2005, 04:35 PM

Cut first, after your PCT.

Noodlenex · 03-03-2005, 06:04 PM

Yeh I kinda figured this. I have a quite high bodyfat % right now I'm sure of it, I don't know the exact figure I've never had it worked out but it is most definately not 10%! I'd say more like 20%+ After my PCT I'll start the diet but I'll start a cycle of creatine and whey as well. I don't mind dieting too much, in response to whoever asked that but I tend to find that my cheat days kick the **** out of whatever I have achieved in the diet so I usually cut them out entirely!

Edit - Btw I'm not looking to ''''''tone up''''''' or anything, whatever the **** that is... I'm looking to get mad huge ;-)

DB · 03-03-2005, 06:59 PM

how about posting a pick noodle mate then we can go from there

Noodlenex · 03-03-2005, 07:19 PM

No-one has a digital camera in my house right now. When I've got the guts I'll post up a pic but you can pretty much take it as this; I'm confident i'm over 20% bodyfat. I've got a belly. ;-)

**big** · 03-03-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Noodlenex

No-one has a digital camera in my house right now. When I've got the guts I'll post up a pic but you can pretty much take it as this; I'm confident i'm over 20% bodyfat. I've got a belly. ;-)

Cut for sure:

High bodyfat + bulking = recipe for disaster.

Low bodyfat + bulking = lots of muscle not much fat.

So cut before bulk at that level

There's NO reason why you can't GAIN strength and SOME muscle mass while cutting however, if you do it correctly.

Noodlenex · 03-03-2005, 07:34 PM

Ok safe. I thought as much. I'm not looking forward to losing my gains from this cycle in PCT, and I'm sure i'll lose some more of it during cutting but I suppose thats unavoidable no matter how clean you do business.
btw don't think for a second I'm anywhere near a body builder, I've got a long way to go trust me. I will get there though.
What about the use of Whey + creatine whilst cutting?

**big** · 03-03-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Noodlenex

Ok safe. I thought as much. I'm not looking forward to losing my gains from this cycle in PCT, and I'm sure i'll lose some more of it during cutting but I suppose thats unavoidable no matter how clean you do business.
What about the use of Whey + creatine whilst cutting?

Well before you cut, stabilise your weight first.

Cutting during PCT or even immediately after will kill your gains way too quick. Let your body get adjusted to the extra mass and do an extremely clean maintenence diet until 2-3 weeks AFTER you're done with PCT. THEN cut. You will keep more lean mass that way.

Whey and creatine are fine when cutting. You could also add clen too as this is anti-catabolic.

Noodlenex · 03-03-2005, 07:40 PM

Ahh.. ok that makes a lot of sense. I feel a little more prepared now. I've not used clen before, whats it like? Does it work by slightly raising your body temp?

03-03-2005, 12:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
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03-03-2005, 06:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
Noodlenex Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 133	Yeh I kinda figured this. I have a quite high bodyfat % right now I'm sure of it, I don't know the exact figure I've never had it worked out but it is most definately not 10%! I'd say more like 20%+ After my PCT I'll start the diet but I'll start a cycle of creatine and whey as well. I don't mind dieting too much, in response to whoever asked that but I tend to find that my cheat days kick the ** out of whatever I have achieved in the diet so I usually cut them out entirely! Edit - Btw I'm not looking to ''''''tone up''''''' or anything, whatever the ** that is... I'm looking to get mad huge ;-)

03-03-2005, 06:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,200	how about posting a pick noodle mate then we can go from there __________________ DB To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. often imitated never duplicated To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. DB sleeps with a night light. Not because DB is afraid of the dark, but the dark is afraid of DB. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

03-03-2005, 07:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Noodlenex Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 133	No-one has a digital camera in my house right now. When I've got the guts I'll post up a pic but you can pretty much take it as this; I'm confident i'm over 20% bodyfat. I've got a belly. ;-)

03-03-2005, 07:34 PM	#13 (permalink)
Noodlenex Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 133	Ok safe. I thought as much. I'm not looking forward to losing my gains from this cycle in PCT, and I'm sure i'll lose some more of it during cutting but I suppose thats unavoidable no matter how clean you do business. btw don't think for a second I'm anywhere near a body builder, I've got a long way to go trust me. I will get there though. What about the use of Whey + creatine whilst cutting? Last edited by Noodlenex; 03-03-2005 at 07:36 PM.

03-03-2005, 07:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
Noodlenex Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 133	Ahh.. ok that makes a lot of sense. I feel a little more prepared now. I've not used clen before, whats it like? Does it work by slightly raising your body temp?