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skizxi · 02-02-2005, 11:46 PM

this is proberly a stupid question - does flax oil come from flax seed? i was also told that linseed is the same as flax seed. can someone please explain

winger · 03-02-2005, 02:50 AM

Dump the flaxseed oil and take in fish oils. 12 a day.

ChefX · 03-02-2005, 04:13 AM

agreed winger

flax is fine for those who live where its over 100 degrees every freaking day and they dont own a refrigerator (ice box) to store fish oils in, BUT you will need extra ala (r-ala) to convert it to what you need and even then its not near as effective

OnePack · 03-02-2005, 03:35 PM

could you explain please...

**hackskii** · 03-02-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefX

agreed winger

flax is fine for those who live where its over 100 degrees every freaking day and they dont own a refrigerator (ice box) to store fish oils in, BUT you will need extra ala (r-ala) to convert it to what you need and even then its not near as effective

Excellant

I have been taking 12 fish oil capsules a day and I do notice I feel better and my knees feel better too.

Here is a snip from an article on eicasinoids:

Drug companies are racing to develop new patentable drugs--ones that affect the downstream enzymes that control eicosanoid production from arachidonic acid. Overlooked in this frenzy by the drug companies seeking new and more expensive drugs to go downstream to modify eicosanoid synthesis, is that there is an existing "drug" that can achieve all of these benefits without any side effects. This is because it goes upstream to modify eicosanoid production by reducing arachidonic acid levels. That "drug" is high-dose fish oil since the elevated levels of EPA will reduce the production of "bad" eicosanoids (such as PGE2 and LTB4) derived from arachidonic acid.

TypeR · 03-02-2005, 05:08 PM

This stuff?

http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pag...6&PID=421&np=3

Flax seed is popular in my house with my dad and brother i am not a fan of it!

But going to give this fish stuff a go! :p

**hackskii** · 03-02-2005, 05:10 PM

Fish oils rock

Flax seed is better than the oil.
Olive oil is good to if you need to add fats to your diet.

Its all good matey!!!!!!!

ChefX · 03-02-2005, 07:16 PM

olive oil is a carrier of other things in food and essential, hence its in my diatia, butter is as well
BUT fish oils are powerful drug like and essential for optimizing health

Fish vs. Flax
The optimal intake of LA compared with ALA appears critical for the metabolism of omega-3 fatty acids. An increase in AA, EPA, and DHA leads to an increase in membrane fluidity, alters the structure of the membrane receptors, and can have other beneficial effects associated with the omega-3 fatty acids. They also play a role in the regulation of cell surface expression, cell-cell interactions, and cytokine release.10 A ratio of 1:4 (LA:ALA) or less is recommended for conversion of ALA to longer chain metabolites (EPA and DHA).9 This is an important concept for vegetarians, whose diets are often much richer in LA. The intake of 3 grams per day to 4 grams per day of ALA is equivalent to 0.3 grams per day of EPA with optimal elongation. (This means you need 10 times as much flax to get the same benefits as fish aka 120g of flax oil or an additional 1000 calories of flax in order to match the benefits of just 12g of fish oils aka 108 calories added... follow????)

ALA(from flax) does not appear to be comparable with its biological effects, compared with EPA and DHA found in fish oil. It appears that the EPA and DHA from marine oils are more rapidly incorporated into plasma and membrane lipids. Algae and some fungi are also capable of forming omega-3 fatty acids de novo, and the DHA from algae supplements needs to be explored further (as in teh whole food vitamins I reccomend follow???).

**Pscarb** · 03-02-2005, 10:49 PM

Rob do you really need to keep fish oil capsules in the fridge.....

just started my comp diet and i have upped my count to 12...

winger · 04-02-2005, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefX

flax is fine for those who live where its over 100 degrees every freaking day and they dont own a refrigerator (ice box) to store fish oils in

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

Rob do you really need to keep fish oil capsules in the fridge.....

just started my comp diet and i have upped my count to 12...

That is what I thought. I buy from Cosco (bulk) and I dont refrigerate my fish oils. Should I ChefX?
That is a bump for Pscarb.

**hackskii** · 04-02-2005, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

just started my comp diet and i have upped my count to 12...

I do 12 a day with good results. I love the fish oils right now :lift:

Helped me post cycle too.
Apple pectin and fish oils helped me massive.......

ChefX · 04-02-2005, 03:34 AM

Fish oils are one of the things that you don't need to refrigerate but... why take the chance.
Obviously for the day you don't have to worry about that,
but for storage I would use the frige. They are very fragile and delicate oils. I'd personally like to keep the potency up as much as possible.

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03-02-2005, 04:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	agreed winger flax is fine for those who live where its over 100 degrees every freaking day and they dont own a refrigerator (ice box) to store fish oils in, BUT you will need extra ala (r-ala) to convert it to what you need and even then its not near as effective

03-02-2005, 05:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
TypeR Hulk Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kent Posts: 1,417	This stuff? http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pag...6&PID=421&np=3 Flax seed is popular in my house with my dad and brother i am not a fan of it! But going to give this fish stuff a go! :p

03-02-2005, 07:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	olive oil is a carrier of other things in food and essential, hence its in my diatia, butter is as well BUT fish oils are powerful drug like and essential for optimizing health Fish vs. Flax The optimal intake of LA compared with ALA appears critical for the metabolism of omega-3 fatty acids. An increase in AA, EPA, and DHA leads to an increase in membrane fluidity, alters the structure of the membrane receptors, and can have other beneficial effects associated with the omega-3 fatty acids. They also play a role in the regulation of cell surface expression, cell-cell interactions, and cytokine release.10 A ratio of 1:4 (LA:ALA) or less is recommended for conversion of ALA to longer chain metabolites (EPA and DHA).9 This is an important concept for vegetarians, whose diets are often much richer in LA. The intake of 3 grams per day to 4 grams per day of ALA is equivalent to 0.3 grams per day of EPA with optimal elongation. (This means you need 10 times as much flax to get the same benefits as fish aka 120g of flax oil or an additional 1000 calories of flax in order to match the benefits of just 12g of fish oils aka 108 calories added... follow????) ALA(from flax) does not appear to be comparable with its biological effects, compared with EPA and DHA found in fish oil. It appears that the EPA and DHA from marine oils are more rapidly incorporated into plasma and membrane lipids. Algae and some fungi are also capable of forming omega-3 fatty acids de novo, and the DHA from algae supplements needs to be explored further (as in teh whole food vitamins I reccomend follow???).

03-02-2005, 10:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,557	Rob do you really need to keep fish oil capsules in the fridge..... just started my comp diet and i have upped my count to 12...

04-02-2005, 03:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	Fish oils are one of the things that you don't need to refrigerate but... why take the chance. Obviously for the day you don't have to worry about that, but for storage I would use the frige. They are very fragile and delicate oils. I'd personally like to keep the potency up as much as possible.