thestudbeast

So here's a topic close to my heart and I thought I'd share my secrets with you all and hope to learn new ones with this thread.

So here are my definitions:

Budjet: Meal costing under a pound
Ethical: Animals did not have to suffer to bring me that meal under a pound.

Protein sources:

Fish.

Fish is a great source of protein, it's as close to organic as you could wish and if you choose wisely cheap and ethical.

To Buy: Pollack (£3 kilo at lidll), sardines (cheap in cans and fresh), mackrell, sprats, tuna, sea brean and salmon trimings - most of these fish are oily so you can dump your fish oil caps and save money there. Go for two portions a day.

To avoid:

Cod: It's currently being fished to extinction in our waters and soon we will have no cod in local waters, plus it's expensive

Salmon: Wild salmon is not sustainable and will go the same way as the cod if nothing is done about it, plus yes it's expensive. You can however buy salmon trimings, there's still loads of meat on the bones and can be boiled off and made into soup, it's cheap as chips.

Meat.

This ones a tough one, meat is produced in horendous conditions, a chickens life is truley miserable it pays in pain for your meal. You can get free range meat but it's expensive.

To buy:

Argintinian beef: It's had a better life and is hormone free and much more likley to be free range.

New Zealand lamb: All free range, all hormone free, bless their goverment.

To avoid:

Chicken: Unless your buying free range which is expensive that chicken has suffered and you shall burn in hell for your sins ( jmo)

Dairy.

Dairy has to be the forgotten protein source, due to an unfounded hate campain on saturated fat. Not all saturated fat is created equal! That in dairy should not be feared. Finding a local supplier of raw milk/cream is a real boon, not to expensive and you'll have the old time anabolic on your side.

To buy: Anchor cheese and butter (free range), raw milk and cream.

To avoid: Homoginized milk (supermarket milk), not only bad for you but also the dairy hurds are not kept in the best conditions at all.

Eggs.

Getting eggs cheaply will also take effort, if you don't wanted eggs from cagged hens. I think Jamie Oliver is doing a program on how cagged hens live if anyone still does not know the horrors they live through.

To buy: Local farm bought free range eggs

To avoid: Cagged hen eggs (again burn in hell for it)

I guess that about cover the proteins, I'll update with the fats and carbs and meal combo's once everyone else's input has taken place on the protein. As the protein content of our diets cause the most cost and issue's.

Con

burn in hell:crazy:

Also whats a meal under 1 quid got to do with excotic meat such as new zealand lamb?

thestudbeast

If you go to lidl you can buy frozen new zealand lamb chops at very low prices. I just didn't put it up as I've forgot the exact price and weight.

robdog

TBH when your consuming as much meat as most bodybuilders need its very hard to be ethical about it although if i did have the cash id be alot more picky about where my meat came from.

If im cooking for a special occasion etc i always try and buy free range or out door reared.

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YetiMan

my mum spent like £60 on a turkey this xmas because it was organic. She only buys organic meat and eggs and **** and there is 3 of us here. Each week food shopping is £100 +!!!!! I could not afford that much each week!

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OK yetiman
lamb from newzeland beef from argintina,CARBON FOOTPRINT.your killing the world ETHICS IVE SH*T EM

Nine Pack

Ethical eh? Hmm... I could suggest that an animal living in nice conditions & being looked after was actually less ethical because it's still going to be culled (which could be percieved as suffering) so it's a bit like giving it a false sense of security then slitting it's neck when it's not looking. For the animals kept in horrendous conditions, perhaps it's a relief to see an end to it so which method is more ethical? The former merely makes us feel better about it all but I suspect if the animals were given the choice, on the whole they'd choose not to have thier lives snuffed out at all just to feed us. So is that really ethical, or just pandering to our own guilt?

Now don't get me wrong, I love animals and I'm in exactly the same boat as most of us when it comes to buying food on a reasonable budget. It's a real dilemma for us, but will we go veggie because of it? I doubt it. We prefer to shut it out & try not to think of that meat we are buying as having been part of a living creature. This dilemma will be with us forever.

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Bulldozer

Killing animals to eat is not cruel in anyway, its nature!! The food chain. Ethics dont come into it if your actually killing the animal to eat and not for its skin or ivory etc.

There is no need to keep animals in cruel conditions however!!

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Porky Pie

I eat meat.

Eating meat for a Western European means killing animals that need not have died (or been bred to have ever lived) because we are perfectly capable of eating a vegetarian/vegan diet. I have to accept that fact about my choices.

I would prefer to eat meat from an animal that had not led a miserable existence before it had been slaughtered. I don't do so systematically because its too expensive (for me). I try to take ethical choices when I feel I can, such as free range eggs, some free range meat, etc.

I watched the Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall programme last night about intensively farmed chickens. It showed the argument in quite a balanced way I thought. No one can dictate to a ordinary working class house wife to buy a free range bird for £10 when there are non free range on the shelf, 2 for £5. Its a no brainer for the average family.

Saying all of that, people should make themselves aware of what they are eating - there is no excuse for ignorance in this area, how the animal has lived and died - its up to them to make thier own ethical choices.

Nine Pack

I agree, and I never said it was acceptable to keep animals in bad conditions. I think it's dispicable how the animals are kept. All I was trying to demonstrate was that even organic & 'ethical' farming methods ultimately end in the animals meeting an untimely end. If money was not an issue, I'd go 'ethical' every time though.

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thestudbeast

The problem is not financial as chicken could easily be swapped for a white fish like pollack which is sustainable and cheap. The problem is chicken tastes much better than the alternative low fat protein sources that are available at a cheap price. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, I'm not suggesting anyone will do the same but everyone should at least be aware of their options.

How mant times do you see the fish I've listed in someones diet, yet they are all ideal.

As for the carbon foot print, I off set by buying a lot of local produce from farmers in the towns around me. Local produce always comes first as I like to support those around me.

dmcc

So do I... especially accompanied by some spuds and veg.

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ba baracuss

How is eating fish not cruel?

They're pulled out of the water and left to 'drown' to death.

I'm sure I heard something on the news yesterday about battery hen farming being banned soon by the government. It's shocking and should have been banned years ago.

My eggs come from 100 yards away where they have free range chickens in their huge back garden

I must confess a pang of guilt went through me buying a steak yesterday as I thought of how awful the slaughterhouse is.

These things are all improving though all the time

Bobbytrickster

The problem is mate people want cheap food, this country is so expensive and feeding a family well is important for everyone. I believe there are allot of people out there who cannot afford to eat a great diet, that however is no excuse for feeding your family food that is heavily processed and basically full of crap.

As long as people can't afford to buy free range chickens or don't want to, the major retailers will continue to produce and sell these chickens!The amount of coverage it is getting at the minute will be good for the living conditions that they are kept in, and will and already is being improved.

I do think the government should do something but remember. It is they who will not cut fuel prices which in turn has effect on the farmers with the fuel for their vehicles, the fuel for the people who produce the feed for chicken, as all these increases have got to be found and gained back some where....so the price of food will increase. Why don't the government cut the tax on fuel for farmers producing free range? Would this decrease the cost of free range chickens? It may attract other farmers to indeed switch to free range farming?

And on another note with the increasing threat of bird flue all these free range birds get locked back up in sheds anyway to avoid contamination, although they do have more space!

I would love to buy free range all the time but indeed like others I just can't afford to, especially with the amount I eat! lol

Robbie

Maybe we should all invest in a forum farm!

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