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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by oliver Roberts View Post
    joe,

    i dont mean to sound like a idiot, but is this a cutting diet??
    Oh no no no

    It looks like one, but i'm not just adding a tablespoon of oil to shakes, I'm leathering them in fat. Total calories are probably near 4000. It's just hard to eat proper when staying in Hotel all week. Whey is also not just a scoop, more like 60g, hence getting through about a kilo in 5 or 6 days.

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    If fat isn't a problem that why does it have to be cottage cheese instead of normal cheese? I'm a novice when it comes to diet and love cheese but haven't been eating it.

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Injured View Post
    If fat isn't a problem that why does it have to be cottage cheese instead of normal cheese? I'm a novice when it comes to diet and love cheese but haven't been eating it.
    Because cheese gives you nightmares. Cmon Everyone knows that!

    You can eat cheese if you want, but most good cheese is 50% fat, and 25% protein, so if you want about 40 to 50g protein before bed then you will end up taking in 100g of fat. Not that this is a problem, but that's a whopping 900 calories in fat, and you do need to watch the calories to some extent.

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    I've got an addiction to feta cheese, basically ate more then half the pack last night argh.

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by Prodiver View Post
    OP - read Dr Malcolm Kendrick's book The Great Cholesterol Con. (Cheap on Amazon.)

    Well done again Joe - have you read it?
    Love this, so ONE doctor out of thousands says it's a con so you believe him? And he sells the book to keep everyone informed, not to be controvertial and make money.

    Get sick of mentioning the missus but she is a coronary care sister, is she being conned by the countless people who have heart attacks at a young age who's only sysmtoms are high cholesterol?

    Just like steroids aren't bad for your health either. Despite her seeing people having heart problems from them . Told a former Mr Britain a while back I was going on steds again and he said, be careful as there is a lot of research coming out now proving the links between steroids and heart disease. One of the biggies is the raising of bad cholesterol by steroids.

    REmind me again what Dr Aitken (the ultimate keto preacher) died from again and what age
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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by BillC View Post
    Love this, so ONE doctor out of thousands says it's a con so you believe him? And he sells the book to keep everyone informed, not to be controvertial and make money.

    Get sick of mentioning the missus but she is a coronary care sister, is she being conned by the countless people who have heart attacks at a young age who's only sysmtoms are high cholesterol?

    Just like steroids aren't bad for your health either. Despite her seeing people having heart problems from them . Told a former Mr Britain a while back I was going on steds again and he said, be careful as there is a lot of research coming out now proving the links between steroids and heart disease. One of the biggies is the raising of bad cholesterol by steroids.

    REmind me again what Dr Aitken (the ultimate keto preacher) died from again and what age
    In 2000, Dr. Atkins developed cardiomyopathy, an incurable heart condition which has quite a few different causes. His was thought to be from a viral illness, and his physician stated at the time that there was no evidence that his diet contributed to the condition. His coronary arteries were reported to have been checked at that time and found to be free of blockages.
    Cardiomyopathy makes it more likely that a person will have a cardiac arrest (heart stopping), which happened to him two years later. Again, the cardiac arrest was not thought to be diet related. His cardiologist stated that (other than the cardiomyopathy), Atkins had "an extraordinarily healthy cardiovascular system". News report about that incident.

    On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to work, hitting his head and causing bleeding around his brain. He lost consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in intensive care. His body deteriorated rapidly and he suffered massive organ failure. During this time, his body apparently retained an enormous amount of fluid, and his weight at death was recorded at 258 pounds. His death certificate states that the cause of death was "blunt impact injury of head with epidural hematoma".

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    I think you will also find that Mr Kenndrick isn't the only doctor jumping on the bandwagon of low carb lifestyles. His book is cheap, and doesn't appeal to a wider audience so why would that be his motive.

    I'll tell why the majority of Doctors and the medical industry have got it wrong, and not the other way round. It is because the medical industry is owned by the pharmaceutical industry. Pharemeceutical companies have a vested interest in keeping people unhealthy, and selling drugs like statins. The pharmaceutical companies get their oar in early, by funding student research in universities, and the training of medical staff is based mainly around pharmacology not human anatomy and function. If pharmaceutical companies can invent an illness, and bring out a pill for it, why should doctors make the effort to learn what's really happening, they just write out a prescription and make the pharmacies even richer. That's how it works, and this is why the truth seekers are in the minority, and it's also too late to turn it around. Can you imagine governments declaring that they got it wrong, and no more profit from statin drugs. Also, on a grander scale, it would cause world famine if an animal based diet was advocated, because it takes 6 times more food to feed the animals to feed the humans than it would to just feed the humans the grain.

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by BillC View Post
    Love this, so ONE doctor out of thousands says it's a con so you believe him? And he sells the book to keep everyone informed, not to be controvertial and make money.

    Get sick of mentioning the missus but she is a coronary care sister, is she being conned by the countless people who have heart attacks at a young age who's only sysmtoms are high cholesterol?

    Just like steroids aren't bad for your health either. Despite her seeing people having heart problems from them . Told a former Mr Britain a while back I was going on steds again and he said, be careful as there is a lot of research coming out now proving the links between steroids and heart disease. One of the biggies is the raising of bad cholesterol by steroids.

    REmind me again what Dr Aitken (the ultimate keto preacher) died from again and what age
    Joe's reply is on the button.

    Many current health care workers have been sold demonstrably wrong information - especially in nutrition and CV health. And how could they contradict it without studying the source literature? Or dare to!?

    The confounding aspect of Dr Kendrick's book and lectures is that he takes statements of CV specialists and researchers and shows by their own data and trials that they cannot be true, though they adopt all sorts of contortions to make them appear so. But then the statin manufacturers invariably have financed the trials. Kendrick's a well-respected CV specialist himself, and btw he's by no means alone.

    He details uncontroversially the mechanism by which atherosclerosis occurs and shows that cholesterol cannot be the cause, but is the body's repair agent. And that reducing cholesterol levels, though it may inhibit the repair mechanism and delay narrowing, actually causes serious debility elsewhere in the body.

    There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that raised cholesterol levels themselves cause cardio-vascular disease, and in fact studies show that men with lower cholsterol levels actually have higher and earlier mortality rates.

    There's also no direct link between dietary cholesterol and circulatory cholsterol levels. The body's regulatory mechanism even combatting prescribed statins to a degree.

    And there's also absolutely no eveidence whatsoever that fat intake and especially saturated fat contribute to cardi-vascular disease.

    BTW steroids can cause CV problems because of increased hematocrit, with consequential thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, coronary infarction and stroke.
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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Glad i stumbled into this thread.

    My old man has a faulty mitral valve which is due for surgery in the coming months, and because his cholesterol was 'high' (GP didn't even provide the ratio ) and popped him on statins for the last year or so now to 'clear up his arteries'. His cholesterol is improved but he's got some of the sides like ongoing muscle pains, lovely.

    I've read about some of the statin animosity here and there, along with a lecturer of mine also talking about the research pointing towards refined carbs being the main source of problems, rather than saturated fats.

    Unfortunately mother dearest buys into the cholesterol/low fat diet hype and if i were to provide anything on the contrary she would probably fight the statin corner, making it a major stumbling block to get him off them.

    Think i'll order him that book for a read

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by Prodiver View Post
    By current thinking I always have done - farmer's son, me, used to lots of meat, game, fish, cheese, eggs, milk, nuts, olive oil (and vinegar), mayo...

    Love fruit, salads and veggies too, though.

    I seem to be rudely healthy and fit for my years...
    Quite literally living off the fat of the land then .......

    Highly sugared drinks and foods combined with high fats = disastrous health consequences.

    Sugar is defo the enemy NOT fat.

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Blimey I wasn't expecting such a detailed and in depth response But good work!

    Its certainly an interesting read and the video is informative.

    I guess my fat intake is not particularly high then compared to others?

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    so if eating healthy carbs (around 250g) isit ok to have 20-25% of daily calories from fats? or should fats be kept as low as possible with carbs at this level?

    Alot of stuff I have read states that you should aim for 20-25% cals from fat, 1g/lb min protein and the rest carbs. But My diet is naturally very low in fat so I find myself adding olive oil to shakes/eating nuts/lots of peanut butter etc.
    Just looking for peoples views on if I should carry on or reduce fats?

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by kaos_nw View Post
    so if eating healthy carbs (around 250g) isit ok to have 20-25% of daily calories from fats? or should fats be kept as low as possible with carbs at this level?

    Alot of stuff I have read states that you should aim for 20-25% cals from fat, 1g/lb min protein and the rest carbs. But My diet is naturally very low in fat so I find myself adding olive oil to shakes/eating nuts/lots of peanut butter etc.
    Just looking for peoples views on if I should carry on or reduce fats?
    250g of carbs seems pretty optimal, and shouldn't cause too much issue. Especially if they are healthy, but your healthy and mine may be different. But so are genetics, some people can eat lots of carbs others cannot.

    My definition of healthy carbs
    All green veg
    Sweet potato
    Fruit (In moderation, fructose in large amounts is bad)
    Oats
    Brown Rice (Maybe)

    Also, ensure your carbs are timed for when the body is primed for them, such as upon waking, and post workout only. So instead of eating your 250 as 5 x 50g, you would probably be better doing something like 80g breakfast, 80g dextrose post workout for insulin spike when sensitivity is high, and 80g about 90 minutes PWO. No other carbs except salad at other times.

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by kaos_nw View Post
    so if eating healthy carbs (around 250g) isit ok to have 20-25% of daily calories from fats? or should fats be kept as low as possible with carbs at this level?

    Alot of stuff I have read states that you should aim for 20-25% cals from fat, 1g/lb min protein and the rest carbs. But My diet is naturally very low in fat so I find myself adding olive oil to shakes/eating nuts/lots of peanut butter etc.
    Just looking for peoples views on if I should carry on or reduce fats?
    No-one knows what percentage of your diet should be fats.

    Eat sufficient protein - 1g/lb is reckoned to be about right - and enjoy all the fat that comes with your protein foods - meat, fish, eggs, cheese, real butter, whole milk, nuts - but eat olive oil salad dressings, mayo and cream too.

    Then adjust your small amount carbs day by day so you have enough energy but lose flab or don't get porky while you gain muscle.
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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Quote Originally Posted by B|GJOE View Post
    In 2000, Dr. Atkins developed cardiomyopathy, an incurable heart condition which has quite a few different causes. His was thought to be from a viral illness, and his physician stated at the time that there was no evidence that his diet contributed to the condition. His coronary arteries were reported to have been checked at that time and found to be free of blockages.
    Cardiomyopathy makes it more likely that a person will have a cardiac arrest (heart stopping), which happened to him two years later. Again, the cardiac arrest was not thought to be diet related. His cardiologist stated that (other than the cardiomyopathy), Atkins had "an extraordinarily healthy cardiovascular system". News report about that incident.

    On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to work, hitting his head and causing bleeding around his brain. He lost consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in intensive care. His body deteriorated rapidly and he suffered massive organ failure. During this time, his body apparently retained an enormous amount of fluid, and his weight at death was recorded at 258 pounds. His death certificate states that the cause of death was "blunt impact injury of head with epidural hematoma".

    ___________________________________________

    I think you will also find that Mr Kenndrick isn't the only doctor jumping on the bandwagon of low carb lifestyles. His book is cheap, and doesn't appeal to a wider audience so why would that be his motive.

    I'll tell why the majority of Doctors and the medical industry have got it wrong, and not the other way round. It is because the medical industry is owned by the pharmaceutical industry. Pharemeceutical companies have a vested interest in keeping people unhealthy, and selling drugs like statins. The pharmaceutical companies get their oar in early, by funding student research in universities, and the training of medical staff is based mainly around pharmacology not human anatomy and function. If pharmaceutical companies can invent an illness, and bring out a pill for it, why should doctors make the effort to learn what's really happening, they just write out a prescription and make the pharmacies even richer. That's how it works, and this is why the truth seekers are in the minority, and it's also too late to turn it around. Can you imagine governments declaring that they got it wrong, and no more profit from statin drugs. Also, on a grander scale, it would cause world famine if an animal based diet was advocated, because it takes 6 times more food to feed the animals to feed the humans than it would to just feed the humans the grain.
    One other thing, in commerce SUGAR is a MASSIVE commodity in the world markets after all there is not much processed food that does NOT have sugar in it. Fat has of course no value.....and money talks.

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    Re: Too Much Fat - Health Problems??

    Some good posts in here, particularly bigjoe & prodiver

    Billc - everything joe has put above is pretty much gospel as far as I'm concerned. You'll find that more and more doctors and dieticians are picking up on the research. The governments recommendations are slowly skewing towards fat being ok as well (going the slow way, but they need to, can't just do an about turn as the public would get confused).

 

 
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