hackskii

I thought I would post this up here due to some big players on the fat scene and some of us including myself are very opinionated on this very subject.

I myself choose fish oils for a number of reasons.
First I want to supplement only Omega 3's in my diet due to the fact that the typical American diet has too much Omega 6's compared to 3's
Perfect ratio would be 1/1 to 1/4
But the typical American diet is 1/10 to 1/25
This can lead to excessive AA in the body and cause a host of health issues.
Given the additon to insulin resistance the health aspect could be very bad.

So, for me, nothing beats fish oils for the price as I dont want to supplement Omega 6's and beings that Udo's has a blend of 3/6/9 fatty acids I am just looking for fish oils to do this.

Also due to Udo's having flax in it you take a big hit on conversion from that to Omega 3's, probably the ratio is around 1/10 being lost.
So with equal 3 to 6 fatty acids in Udo's and the fact flax needs to be converted and much is lost the ratio is not being helped much.

The omega 3 profile of fish oils blows flax and Udo's away.

We are talking supplimentation here.
I take 12 fish oils a day and will forever.

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Nytol

Fish oil, hands down.

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toxictoffee

yep agree with that or NKO

awaits tony barnes with the defence of flax/UDOs

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Bulldozer

Ditto

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Five-O

lol....you can hit me up with all this technical **** of this has too much of that and this doesn't convert to this....but....you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Udo's and Flax for me thankyou very much.

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Five-O

Just as a quick question and no flame whatsoever, what would a protein/fat meal look like for you fellas then?

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Bulldozer

Can see ya point mate, all this science stuff makes my head spin! It all seems a bit petty to me.

Ok, if you are at the top of the game looking, for that extra few % that could make the difference then sure thats fine. Go all out with the science part and look into things further. Cos you need the edge.

If your not at the top of the game, like 98% of the guys on this board then i cant see all these little things making much of a difference tbh.

For instance i cant play tennis for sh*t. Im useless. My racket cost £60 , so its a half decent racket! But if i ditched my rachet and spent £300 on a rachet, my tennis would still suck! If i was already very good at tennis then maybe a better rachet would improve my game. If you see my point.


Fish oil , flax, udo's. Does it make that much of a difference!? Really !?

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toxictoffee

if you supplenet a large amount of fish oil, off set it with vit e

s for the science?

well its fine to shun it based on not kjnwoing about it but thaty does not men it doesnt exist

]if we shunned science nobody would use gear, nobody would use creatine

why is it so popular? because in vivo studies show its benefits

as for the flax oil? it cannot convert from 18 to 20 and then to 22 chain carbons to produce DHA with any efficiency

you cannot argue on ignorance

pro/fat meals?

well for a start n3 fats will limit the insulin response compared to 6s

some AAs are insulinogenic and therefore counteract the point of taking carbs out of the meal

why split carbs and fat anyway, its only the saturation of the fat (degree of) which makes it an issue

the II in insulin response of the meal is the issue, not the macro breakdown

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:rolleye11:rolleye11

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toxictoffee

if we all based debates on "IMO" and no logic or science then TBH there is little worth as its simply empty opinion

which point do you disagree with so we can address the issue?

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Bulldozer

I didnt say (miss quoted again) i disagree with anything.

I also didnt say i had no respect for science.

I simple said that i dont feel the need to overcomplicate things basically cos i feel it will make little difference.

As is the case here i feel .

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hackskii

Well, there are numerous studies that reflect the goodness of fish oils.
So, for heart health then this is very important.

Inflammation?
Well, an up-stream way of aiding in inflammation is Omega 3's.

Also there are small hormonal substances made from Omega 3's and Omega 6's called eicasinoids, they act like hormones but without organs or glands to produce them.
They are very powerful and have all kinds of implications to aid in good health.

Fish oils will help with insulin resistance.
This is an awesome thing as you know that type II diabetes is aided by insulin resistance.
So, become more insulin sensitive, have less chance of diabetes, and let insulin which is the most anabolic substance be utilized better and more effecient.

Again having too much AA in the body along with insulin reisistance and you are in for trouble, fish oils help massive with this.

Lipid profiles?
Fish oils lower triglycerides big time and this will give you a better good chlosterol ratio to bad, again this is a step for positive health.

So, the implications are not really for bodybuilding but improving health and if I could only take one supplement it would be fish oils.

They are cheaper than flax too and Udo's

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hackskii

I started this debate for a reason, I have the best intentions here, maybe it is time to just step back and read some eh?

Id hate to have to close my own thread that will p1ss me off.

Stick to the topic.

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toxictoffee

yes but thats the debate

the debate is a complicated one

if the question was

"should i eat fat in my diet?"

and we babble on about delta 6 desaturase then fine, say its too anal BUT this debate is an anal one and is based on science, not just the basics

the debate is why fish oil is beter than flax and the answer being "because IMO its not an issue" is of limited worth

why does it make little difference? what are you basing your theory on seeing as its an advanced subject rather than just "should i consume MUFAs or PUFAs or SFAs?

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hackskii

With that ^^^^^^^I say Bump...............:rolleye11

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