Fats or Calories - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

little jimmy · 22-06-2007, 08:22 AM

Hi everyone,

My better half has decided to start a diet in readiness for our summer hols. My question is, she knows what she should eat however the stuff that she isnt sure of should she be looking at calories or fat content. Hope this makes sense and thankyou for any replies.

invisiblekid · 22-06-2007, 08:29 AM

Both. Fats aren't something to be scared of. Saturated fats should be minimal, but we still need these. As long as the fats she is consuming at good fats, ie mono unsaturated and polyunsaturated then fats are good - in moderation - just like anything else. Think oily fish like salmon. Excellent dieting food, but full of fat!

Essentially, your diet should be low in fats in comparison to other foods, but fats are needed for the most basic functions.

Sugar is the one that most people don't look out for.

Why not post her diet up? PSCarb I believe has done some diets for women in the past with great success.

**hackskii** · 24-06-2007, 12:42 AM

Fats are necessary for good health.

She just needs to modify her diet some.
More fiber, more water, less overall volume of food.

tony 33 · 19-07-2007, 09:34 PM

so (thick me u know)are the fats in nut and seeds good..on some seeds i bought is says 49.9g fat 5.5 of which are saturated ...is it the saturated fats we must keep to a minimum?

ah24 · 19-07-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tony 33

so (thick me u know)are the fats in nut and seeds good..on some seeds i bought is says 49.9g fat 5.5 of which are saturated ...is it the saturated fats we must keep to a minimum?

Yeah, you need a small amount of all fats - but the 'healthiest' fats are the poly-unsaturates. Though i dont really see how you get a healthiest - they all play their roles.

**hackskii** · 19-07-2007, 09:44 PM

You need all fats, every one of them.
Some the body will make but the Omega 3's and the Omega 6's need to be supplemented.

You need all fats and suggesting staying away from saturated fats is something that I myself would not do.

You need all, polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, and saturated fats.
All fats are healthy and necessary.

**Pscarb** · 19-07-2007, 11:02 PM

Scott is correct although there is one fat that is no good and that is Trans fat....for a man Saturated fat is essential in some amounts as they have a direct link to testosterone...

**hackskii** · 20-07-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

Scott is correct although there is one fat that is no good and that is Trans fat....for a man Saturated fat is essential in some amounts as they have a direct link to testosterone...

To build on that, drop hydrogenated oils too, those are totally bad for you.

Diets low in saturated fats and cholesterol have been known to have negative effects on testosteron production as well as other hormones.

Not saying you load up on sat fats or cholesterol but moderation is key here.

Tony Barnes · 20-08-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

You need all fats, every one of them.
Some the body will make but the Omega 3's and the Omega 6's need to be supplemented.

You need all fats and suggesting staying away from saturated fats is something that I myself would not do.

You need all, polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, and saturated fats.
All fats are healthy and necessary.

lol, that's a different slant to our discussion over on the other UK-m...

LA and LNA are the only 2 essential fats, as the others can all be made. However, it makes abundant sense to enjoy a wide range of different fats so long as they are not damaged, as they are excellent energy sources, and have far more roles than you would imagine possible given teh "fat is evil" slant that is pushed in the mainstream.

**hackskii** · 20-08-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Barnes

lol, that's a different slant to our discussion over on the other UK-m...

LA and LNA are the only 2 essential fats, as the others can all be made. However, it makes abundant sense to enjoy a wide range of different fats so long as they are not damaged, as they are excellent energy sources, and have far more roles than you would imagine possible given teh "fat is evil" slant that is pushed in the mainstream.

Not a slant at all mate.
Beings that the American diet is overly rich in Omega 6's and defficient in Omega 3's, it is pointless to supplement Omega 6's when one gets more than one need's.
So, I supplement Omega 3's and I do not supplement Omega 6's.
Again the ratio is way out in the typical American diet and when I say way out, it is huge.

So, nothing offers a better selection of supplementation for Omega 3's than fish oils (dont correct me and say krul either

, you know what I mean).

And your arguement on being rancid at your own suggestion was just 5% which is nothing in my opinion and even that is questionable.
All studies done on fish oils show positives and any infrence that those were rancid didnt seem to skew the results of all the studies done.

On our little debate on the other board I was defending fish oils, you were defending Udo's and flax.

But yes you need all fats with the exception of hydrogenated oils and trans fats.
And the typical American diet is too high in Omega 6's so there is no point in supplementing those as you are asking for trouble pushing the ratio even farther out.

Welcome to the board Tony, are you stalking me?

lol...................:love:

Tony Barnes · 20-08-2007, 04:19 PM

lol, no, not stalking you, actually been registered here for ages, just never gotten round to having a look about.. then TT jumped ship, so voila

As for the fats debate, will leave it on the one thread methinks!!!

:argue: :boxing:

(apologies for chronic smiley use...)

**hackskii** · 20-08-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Barnes

lol, no, not stalking you, actually been registered here for ages, just never gotten round to having a look about.. then TT jumped ship, so voila

As for the fats debate, will leave it on the one thread methinks!!!

:argue: :boxing:

(apologies for chronic smiley use...)

I love the smilies mate, it makes me laugh if used correctly.

I had looked at your profile and you have been here almost 3 years.
This board is very easily navagated.

I didnt know you sold Udo's oil?:doh:
It is becomming clearer now.

toxictoffee · 20-08-2007, 09:26 PM

is this where i get to post my flax studies...can i...can i?

what about SFAs and their benefits, can i tony?

**hackskii** · 20-08-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by toxictoffee

is this where i get to post my flax studies...can i...can i?

what about SFAs and their benefits, can i tony?

I wish you would but we should start a new one.

Its done:
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/diets-nut...tml#post295488

22-06-2007, 08:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
little jimmy Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4	Fats or Calories Hi everyone, My better half has decided to start a diet in readiness for our summer hols. My question is, she knows what she should eat however the stuff that she isnt sure of should she be looking at calories or fat content. Hope this makes sense and thankyou for any replies.

22-06-2007, 08:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
invisiblekid Hitman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 1,524	Re: Fats or Calories Both. Fats aren't something to be scared of. Saturated fats should be minimal, but we still need these. As long as the fats she is consuming at good fats, ie mono unsaturated and polyunsaturated then fats are good - in moderation - just like anything else. Think oily fish like salmon. Excellent dieting food, but full of fat! Essentially, your diet should be low in fats in comparison to other foods, but fats are needed for the most basic functions. Sugar is the one that most people don't look out for. Why not post her diet up? PSCarb I believe has done some diets for women in the past with great success. __________________ Most bodybuilders are actually insane. Albert Einstein defined insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

24-06-2007, 12:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,649	Re: Fats or Calories Fats are necessary for good health. She just needs to modify her diet some. More fiber, more water, less overall volume of food. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

19-07-2007, 09:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
tony 33 latics mad Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ashton-under-lyne Posts: 281	Re: Fats or Calories so (thick me u know)are the fats in nut and seeds good..on some seeds i bought is says 49.9g fat 5.5 of which are saturated ...is it the saturated fats we must keep to a minimum?

19-07-2007, 09:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,649	Re: Fats or Calories You need all fats, every one of them. Some the body will make but the Omega 3's and the Omega 6's need to be supplemented. You need all fats and suggesting staying away from saturated fats is something that I myself would not do. You need all, polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, and saturated fats. All fats are healthy and necessary. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

19-07-2007, 11:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,456	Re: Fats or Calories Scott is correct although there is one fat that is no good and that is Trans fat....for a man Saturated fat is essential in some amounts as they have a direct link to testosterone... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Nutrition is your greatest anabolic agent; everything else is just the icing on the cake

20-08-2007, 04:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tony Barnes Gym Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 106	Re: Fats or Calories lol, no, not stalking you, actually been registered here for ages, just never gotten round to having a look about.. then TT jumped ship, so voila As for the fats debate, will leave it on the one thread methinks!!! :argue: :boxing: (apologies for chronic smiley use...)

20-08-2007, 09:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
toxictoffee marmite Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 776	Re: Fats or Calories is this where i get to post my flax studies...can i...can i? what about SFAs and their benefits, can i tony? __________________ whoever said it was in fact right, opinions really are like a*holes, everybody has to have one...thing is, some are sweet, yet many are simply full of sht

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