Natural Board

[PowerHouse]

Hi
I'm new to the forums and have just started training again. I want to train without roids and have noticed there is quite a focus on here for them. Couldn't we have a Natural bodybuilding sub-forum?


Cheers

[Magic Torch]

Whats the difference between natural training and assisted training tho?

[megatron]

Originally Posted by Magic Torch

Whats the difference between natural training and assisted training tho?

Gains

[jw007]

Great idea, then all the nobbers who post in aas section with no experience or knowledge of subject can stick to their own section rather than post their tripe and rubbish in the users threads

[PowerHouse]

Originally Posted by jw007

Great idea, then all the nobbers who post in aas section with no experience or knowledge of subject can stick to their own section rather than post their tripe and rubbish in the users threads

This was more or less my point. I don't use roids but doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't- quite simply its your choice. I have good knowledge of training, form and nutrition but know naff all about aas. I will stick to what I know and a nat sub-forum will be good to share and learn more as well finding a home for those who are opposed to aas

[Magic Torch]

Again I ask the question, how does natural training differ from assisted training?

[Mrdaveyk]

im not to sure about this one, im not on gear, but i feel it may divide the forum too much

just stick to the form and technique threads if you need help etc and should all be fine

i mean the AAS forum is for those specifically whilst the rest is for all

plus in my eyes, the way it is now if we all use the same forum for technique, form and even diet it means you get more feedback from both clean and people on gear, also if we divide clean and gear, the clean people will loose out on the knowledge that AAS users due to their longer training and personal experiences during training

is there a better word for people not on gear rather than 'clean', sounds degrading to those who arent?

[jw007]

Originally Posted by Magic Torch

Again I ask the question, how does natural training differ from assisted training?

Because using aas you can get away with a lot more, not train as hard, not eat as well, not use as many nat supps and still make gains, so basically you can grow without much knowledge of how or what you are doing wrong.

So you could be doing something incorrectly but making gains so you assume everything is spot on....

As a natural trainer, especially those near natural potential, its harder to make gains unless everything is spot on, so they have to be a bit more careful and scientific about things...

In an ideal world all those that workout would all train perfectly, have the perfect diet and supps knowledge.....
But this is not an ideal world...

I know for a fact because i use aas etc, i dont eat no where near as well as i should, but then again i dont have to as i let the aas do the work...

I would say i have a lot of respect for a high level natural trainer as they have to live like a monk to make progress, where as i would just have another shot then go out on the p1ss PMSL

[YetiMan]

But then, no offence to any one (Nathan) you would be posting in two forums?
Natty Getting Started etc
AAS Getting started etc
Because you may think ok no one in Natty has replied lets go on the AAS. It would double the amount of section on the forum as for every thing you would have a AAS and a Natty section. I think its a bad idea.

[Lorian]

I've been asked this a couple of times in the last 2 weeks.

In my mind it doesn't make sense to split the Training forums into Natural/AAS .. if we do that then surely we should split the Supplementation forums as well?

It wouldn't be immediately obvious *which* section a new thread should go in - what if a guy did a cycle a year ago.. but is now 'clean' .. say he has an Advanced Training question - where should it go?

I believe that each 'group' of forums should stand alone as their own indpendent area.

We would thereofore have:

The Training Forums
The Supplementation Forums
The Diet & Nutrition Forums
The Steroid Forums

This would mean re-jigging the front page slightly so that the Supplementation forum is no longer lumped in with the Steroid & Testosterone Information forum.


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[wogihao]

I dont know forums where they had a natural section ended up divideing the boards along the user/non-user lines. Nobody would listen to the assited guys anymore because there "on the sauce" and therefore there years of drug free training are rendered void....

your get guys 11stone **** sokeing wet giving advice to others and when someone calls them out on it your get "yea but then i dont take steriods so ofcourse i wont be a muscle man..."

I know there has been a rash of retarded beginer gear users recently but please dont let the natural trainers get a foothold its simply unberable listening to these bitter failures complaining about everything thats wrong with assisted training.

[Magic Torch]

Originally Posted by jw007

Because using aas you can get away with a lot more, not train as hard, not eat as well, not use as many nat supps and still make gains, so basically you can grow without much knowledge of how or what you are doing wrong.

So you could be doing something incorrectly but making gains so you assume everything is spot on....

As a natural trainer, especially those near natural potential, its harder to make gains unless everything is spot on, so they have to be a bit more careful and scientific about things...

In an ideal world all those that workout would all train perfectly, have the perfect diet and supps knowledge.....
But this is not an ideal world...

I know for a fact because i use aas etc, i dont eat no where near as well as i should, but then again i dont have to as i let the aas do the work...

I would say i have a lot of respect for a high level natural trainer as they have to live like a monk to make progress, where as i would just have another shot then go out on the p1ss PMSL

Fcukin junkie x

[jw007]

Originally Posted by Magic Torch

Fcukin junkie x

how rude

im only a junkie on weekends and wednesdays

[Tinytom]

I dont think its warranted TBH

If you want a dedicated Natural board then have a look at PHD's forum as they are all natural over there.

Or on uk-muscle.com there is a natural forum but TBH the same threads pop up in both those forums that would appear here. Just over there they tend to get more technical but then you have a LOT of older experienced guys training.

However I feel that Training theory does really get influenced by AAS in the purist sense as AAS just allow you to go harder and heavier.

As JW pointed out AAS does allow you to slack off a little bit but then dont think that every natural guy trains their ass off because they dont. All top level athletes trian hard and are meticulous about diet and training and supplementation so whether assisted or natural you can learn from both. Just recognise that when a Pro BBer is talking about his shcedule they normally mean while 'on' so you would need to adjust your schedule accordingly.

[ParaManiac]

Originally Posted by jw007

Because using aas you can get away with a lot more, not train as hard, not eat as well, not use as many nat supps and still make gains, so basically you can grow without much knowledge of how or what you are doing wrong.

So you could be doing something incorrectly but making gains so you assume everything is spot on....

As a natural trainer, especially those near natural potential, its harder to make gains unless everything is spot on, so they have to be a bit more careful and scientific about things...

In an ideal world all those that workout would all train perfectly, have the perfect diet and supps knowledge.....
But this is not an ideal world...

I know for a fact because i use aas etc, i dont eat no where near as well as i should, but then again i dont have to as i let the aas do the work...

I would say i have a lot of respect for a high level natural trainer as they have to live like a monk to make progress, where as i would just have another shot then go out on the p1ss PMSL

Great post.

i am in favour of a natural section for the very reasons outlined above.