Rottee

I stand corrected mate I was also told last night the kennel club have changed the rule about pups can now leave for there new homes at 7 weeks old instead of 8 weeks which the rule was before.
Dont understand the change to be honest.
I have a litter of rotts that are 5weeks and are all sold. Am keeping one though.

leafman

Love rotts mate, me pal used to have them nice dogs. Yea this is first time iv had to register pups tbh so am new to it. I got confirmation other day threw email saying that all my names i picked have been passed and papers would be with me in 7 days so its all good

Since advertising them for 400 iv been selling them at a staedy rate. Got a couple coming at weekend to buy and take dogs then as there traveling a good distance. All is well anyway

ba baracuss

Cute dogs. Hope they all get good homes.

Not sure if I could let any of them go to be honest

newhope

see this is the sort of thing that really grinds me. you obviously have no idea about breeding but still have had a litter, no doubt like the rest of the people who back yard breed you saw an opportunity to make a few quid. disgusts me frankly.

have you thought about the potential damage you have done to the future of the breed...i expect you thought youv got what you think is a good looking bitch and a good looking dog, probally with good charachters and temprement and that they'll produce great pups. one of them might even be a pedigree...just because you have two dogs, pedigree or not, there is no guarantee they will produce pups of the same quality...infact without knowledge of each of the parents genetic histories going back generations you will produce a litter prone to faults health, charachter and temprement problems, you then unknowingly breed these and reproduce more faults and health problems within the breed (your runt that stands out is an example to me of this...a breeder worth his salt will have a litter in which the runt is as good as indistingushible to the rest). without in depth knowledge of the genetics of your dogs you have no way to select traits within each dog and then replicate them or eradicate them, this by the way will take 6 generations. and require a wealth of knowledge and experience. (an example of how this can happen is that one of the dogs you have bread could have a parent with a genetical disposition of aggression, however the owners who had this dog socialized it and so the aggression was not known, they then breed the dog thinking its lovely but it passes on the genetical disposition to its litter....now multiple dogs have this trait...one of these dogs lands up with a owner who is inexperienced and the aggression arises...the owner thinks the parents were of great charachter so dosnt understand where the aggression has come from...can you see how easy it is for faults to be transfered through generations, or lay dormant and then spring up unexpected...with extensive knowledge of the genetic history off all the dogs in rhat line these problems, undesireable traits are eradicated)




i dont want this post to be completly negative, i mean unfortunatly people like you are producing litters left right and centre so...

...a bitch isnt biologically mature enough at only a year old to have pups, infact your bitch might not have even fully developed her own character...look, you obviously love your dog so please take her to the vets to check you havnt caused her any damage. also doubt this but i hope you have insisted the people have visited you a few times so you can judge their character at the least i hope you have questioned them on their history with strong breed dogs and their ability to socialize and give them some sort of basic training (that means them telling you not you telling them). i take it you have an extensive history with akita's so will be able to assist and and advise and sort out any behaviour problems any of the owners encounter?

newhope

and it dosnt matter what the bl0ody kennel club say a year is much too young for a litter. let me put it this way:

would you breed your 6 year old daughter/sister/cousin? - no youd wait till her body was biologically ready to reproduce...youd wait till she matured and was an adult. what you have done breeding your bitch at such a young age is the same as this, paramount to breeding with a child.

newhope

i obviously dont know you or your history with dogs...but breeding with such a young bitch and this litter being your first registered with the kennel club, also the fact youv priced your pups at 400 pounds because of the number of puppies you have and not the quality of them (i suspect you have absoutly no idea about the last 6 generations of both parents...i dont just mean looking at the sheet of paper, the pedigree, i mean each of the individual dogs health, character and temperment) shows me a lot please also dont read my post and get angry and reply in that way...take note of what im saying...even better invest your life in upgrading the quality of your dogs, study about breeding visit breeders (not hobby breeders and especially with the top breeders theres a lot to be said about these breeders getting their mucky hands and messing about with breeds specifics), question them, the kennel club frankly have policies which are disturbing and i dont agree with some of them, people think the KC is the bee-all and end-all, personally i think not...but talk to them extensivly too. speak with several different vets as well (though its worth mentioning that not all vets are knowledgable about breeding - much in the same way as not all doctors are knowledgable about aas.) your going to make a pretty penny from this litter which, from your posts in this thread i dont think you deserve a penny of it but with this money you are enjoying spend some of it researching dog breeding and the studies done on dog genetics...until you have gained some of this knowledge you would do the breed proud by not producing any more litters.

iv written a lot here, please re-read it and take in what im saying, be responsible and good luck!

Rossco700

Did he come on hear asking for your opinion???? No!!!!! I understand your a doghandler mate, and by the sounds of it a civvy one, i'm sure all the books you've read have been super informative! I'm also a doghandler, (service) before you judge me, I have 13 years experience, I'm a tracking instructor, and also an operational handler among other things. My point is even if he has a "good looking" pedigree dam and a "good looking" pedigree stud, or even if not, he has the right and power to breed if he so desires...... I'm sure what he doesn't need is a mouthfull or 3 from you!

Rossco700

Oh and the laws of nature say a dog is ready to reproduce after 12 months hence why the KC support it, whether society agrees or disagrees is obselete!!!! What would dogs do in the wild, ask for I.D ffs...... and your comparison is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!

newhope

you'll notice the person who posted pics of their staffie pups, i said cute pics, lmfao here's someone breeding a bitch thats too young, so a respectful mouthful or 3 i gave.

ba baracuss

He's had a bit of a rant but makes some good points to be fair. Yes he can do what he likes - he can kick the dog around the house if he wants, but it doesn't make it right.

People should have licences to breed animals IMO - just look at how many dog homes there are out there.

As I said, I hope they all get good homes.

Rossco700

My point was not to come on here and have a go at you, my point is simply this..... if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. I'm sure you think you are being clever in throwing your wealth of knowledge in dog breeding around a BB site.... however at no point in the thread was your opinion asked for.

If you don't like something you are reading then the answer is simple!!!!! Don't read it!!!! I also think you are way out of line passing comment that you don't think he deserves a penny from the litter. The breeder may not be the most experienced in YOUR chosen expertise, however i'm sure that if its something he has an interest in he'll SEEK advice!!! Much the same as you are on this site, however there's no-one on here giving you the 3rd degree because you are slightly less knowledgeable than they. If your intentions were to pass on the font of knowledge you claim to have, and not to insult then you have a funny way of going about things!

Rossco700

I totally agree, what griped me was the way newhope went about it. I'm certainly not saying he's talking rubbish and as I said I totally agree. I'm a registered KC breeder and have been for over 10 years. I own kennels and have experience in breeding shepherds, bull mastiff's, great danes and staffies. Personally I wouldn't breed a bitch before 24 months, thats my personal choice, but I'm also aware that some puppy farmers can strike gold and produce perfectly formed great examples of breeds, again this doesn't make it right. I just think the guy got a bit of a ripping for no reason, hence the strong feelings on the subject.... however I'm even starting to bore myself so I'll shut up now lol

newhope

your right its none of my business, i edited those posts a few times and thought of deleting them for the exact reasons you gave above...but...didnt because if he reads what iv said he'll take it upon himself to research before he has another litter, yeah maybe i got a bit personal with what money he should recieve but then if hes breeding dogs that young someone needs to tell him what they think and encourage some responsibility, which i think my posts did without name calling, extreme offence etc.

Nidge

Brill pups mate they look cracking, I went to a mates house the other day, he's got an Akita it licked me to death before mounting my leg, I had to fake an orgasm so he'd get off.

MXD

I so so wish I coul have one! Let me check with the boss lol!