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Old 19-06-2008, 07:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What day do you train your traps on? Shoulder or Back?

cause ive heared that the reverse barbell shrug is actually working your back muscles!
but doesnt the dumbell shoulder shrug work your shoulders?

just wondering if i should do both on shoulder day or the reverse shrug on back day?
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Old 19-06-2008, 07:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Traps!
Dont directly train them

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cause ive heared that the reverse barbell shrug is actually working your back muscles!
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traps and delts but some call traps especially mid/lower fibres the back

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but doesnt the dumbell shoulder shrug work your shoulders?
i would hope so, along with traps

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just wondering if i should do both on shoulder day or the reverse shrug on back day?
just on one
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Old 19-06-2008, 07:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Traps!
do them on any day you like. personally i hit traps on leg day as my grip on back days is used up.

just grab some dumbbells or a barbell (not reverse grip) and shrug them... simple
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Old 19-06-2008, 07:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Traps!
Personally i do them on a shoulders day.

I would just stick them in one or the other it does'nt matter to much which you choose.
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Re: Traps!
I do them on back day but am usually bushed by the time i get to them and my hands are killing from the gripping, despite wearing straps ( and yeah before you all shout, i'll shout GIIIRRRRLLLLYY ).
I use the smith machine and do regular shrugs and alternate with behind back shrugs ( ala Lee Haney style-love this movement )

I also do straight leg deads this day too so my callouses are proper chewed.
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Old 19-06-2008, 08:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I do them on back day but am usually bushed by the time i get to them and my hands are killing from the gripping, despite wearing straps ( and yeah before you all shout, i'll shout GIIIRRRRLLLLYY ).
I use the smith machine and do regular shrugs and alternate with behind back shrugs ( ala Lee Haney style-love this movement )

I also do straight leg deads this day too so my callouses are proper chewed.
I have the exact same problem regarding my grip, even on shoulder day, my wrists give out before my Traps do and its really annoying!
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Old 19-06-2008, 08:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I have the exact same problem regarding my grip, even on shoulder day, my wrists give out before my Traps do and its really annoying!
Look on ebay for some gold 's gym hook gloves. They are a glove with a steel hook on, I know you should prob work on grip etc but these gloves are awesome you will be abl to shrug all day
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Old 19-06-2008, 08:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Look on ebay for some gold 's gym hook gloves. They are a glove with a steel hook on, I know you should prob work on grip etc but these gloves are awesome you will be abl to shrug all day
Cheers bud, im banned from ebay lol, isnt there shops that sell them like sports shops?
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Old 19-06-2008, 08:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Traps!
if you cannot hold a barbell train to hold one, in the long run you will benefit

hooks and straps are not ideal
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I have the exact same problem regarding my grip, even on shoulder day, my wrists give out before my Traps do and its really annoying!
Its not my wrists its just my grip 'cos of the weight i use. Could use less weight ofcourse but i don't beleive id get the same benefit on heavy week as a do a week low reps and a week high reps at the moment
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Old 19-06-2008, 08:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Its not my wrists its just my grip 'cos of the weight i use. Could use less weight ofcourse but i don't beleive id get the same benefit on heavy week as a do a week low reps and a week high reps at the moment
there are good points and bad points in using wraps etc for doing shrugs.

Using them you will hit the traps bang on, and all the weight will be off your forearms and be transfered to hitting the traps.

Without them you will still hit them but as you try and grip the bar your grip will go before failure on the traps, and your forearms will grow and strengthen,

So its really up to what route you choose, for me i try and vary it, one week with, one without.

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i'll refer back to my original post try working traps on leg day...

weak forearms = weak grip.
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I used to train them with my back but i don't anymore, i can feel doms in them after deadlifts and upright rows so i don't bother.
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i'll refer back to my original post try working traps on leg day...

weak forearms = weak grip.
Why do traps need to be worked seperately? If you followed a proper back day routine you wouldnt be worried about grip strength/trap training anyhow.

Wrist straps, bench/squat suits and all the other bollocks should be left at the door. If your grip strength is giving up on shrugs you wanna try isolating your back muscles rather than using your arms for the majority of the work.

Its the mind-muscle connection.
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Why do traps need to be worked seperately? If you followed a proper back day routine you wouldnt be worried about grip strength/trap training anyhow.
i agree mate... but when someone states they cant work there traps on back day as there forearms are mashed then why train them on back day then.
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