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I've recently re-jigged my workout to give my chest a little more attention by training it on its own day instead of with biceps. I have moved my bicep work to my back day.
I have found that after my back workout my biceps are already pretty tired and I'm curling alot less weight before the are totally fcuked. When I was doing bis after chest they felt fresh and I could shift much more weight for more excercises before they were dead.
Is the aim to kill them by whatever means or is the heavy weight more productive?

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Jock

TBH mate I find it hard to accomodate my biceps.

I find that on back day I do more pulling movements (deadlift, rows etc) which really takes it out of my bis. I do them now on leg day but I still find it hard especially now I'm doing stiff-leg deadlifts.

I think you should move it to another day or stick with what you already have, unless you have loads of time on your hands I wouldn't bother trying to hammer one bodypart on its own day too much.

Best of luck, Jock

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James.Titor

i typed a huge ass long winded reply to this explaining why you shouod either ignore your biceps and cycle thier training on-off every other month, or gruop them on back day as they also fall into the upper bodies pulling kinetic chain.

then my computer froze and i had to re-start, losing the whole bloody lot.

imo: do them on back day, and cycle thier trianing on and off every month.

big pete

same here. if your caning them doing your back day, then wait a couple of days til its your chest then cane them with isolation moves it limits recovery time.

IMO do them on back day also.

my BBing split was
mon push
weds pull
fri legs

allowing a weeks recovery til hitting it all over again.

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James.Titor

sound advice above

winger

Why not do legs on wednesday and do pull on friday? It give the upper body more space to recoup?

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James.Titor

you could, but there is no need. so you can do it any way you wnat. the pull muscles are only antagonists at best for the push day, and vis versa, so it should afect perfromace too much.

persoanly, i do:

legs
upperbody
legs

or

legs
upperbody
legs
upperbody

and i don't split the upper body into push and pull myself. i do it all in one go.

philipebrown

ive started adding another day which is traps, rear delts and bis

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James.Titor

why?

philipebrown

what dya mean why? im working off a six day split at the moment and that just happens to be one of my days. Theres nothing wrong with mixing things up a bit and changing your routine!

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James.Titor

what i meant by why was exactly that. why do you need to hit your biceps and traps on a separte day? (or your rear delts.)

i can see the reason for the isolation of these muscles, but why can't you shove them in on your back day? delts need 1-2sets of 6-8 reps of isolation, thats it. same for biceps and same for traps. that would take you 10mins at most.

philipebrown

you seriously only do 2 sets for your shoulders?

Its the just the way the routine is written, you end up hitting each muscle twice a week, once primarily and once secondarily. Its a very different approach to the norm, which i have allready followed for a while. I just needed a change as i was getting bored and tbh im enjoying it and it is keeping me motivated (well, most of the time anyway)

Main delt workout primarily hits the anterior and lateral head then on to triceps.

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James.Titor

actually i do 8-10 sets for shoudlers.

3x5 military press, 3x5 bb rows, 3x5 benching + 1-2 sest of rear delt raises every other week.

thats it. my shoudlers are massive, like my legs and forarms, they are prolly my best bodypart.

winger

This dosn't count for you and I dont think anybody should do them behind but. Have you ever done pulldowns behind the neck (I dont recomend bad on the rotator) and had your outer chest sore? I also throw in rear delt on back day. Like I said I would do legs in between thats just me though.

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James.Titor

what do you mean, "this doesn't count for you"

why doesn't my post count?