hackskii

Well, after talking to Paul Booth, I think I will pass on the foam rolling.

I need him to come here and explain why, I cant go into the deep detail he did with me on a PM.
I might even have it somewhere as I save his PM's for reflection.
Smart dude.

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Nine Pack

Foam rollers (used 'SMR'; self myofascial release) are down right dangerous IMO. They have the subject placing deep tissue massage with full bodyweight pressure in both directions.
I'm a sports masseur and know exactly what structures are being manipulated here so we are taught to only apply pressure in the direction of the centre of the body (or in other words the direction of blood flow back to the heart) and there's a specific reason for this. we have non return valves in veins (not in arteries) which prevent blood flow going backwards, especially when being pumped against gravity (the legs are a good example). If you apply deep pressure in both directions, you force blood & lymph back against these valves, causing permanent damage (similar systems exist in the lymphatic system too). end result; blood pooling in the lower extremeties, purple blotchy, swollen ankles with varicose type veins. Lovely. I'm sure that's the look we all aspire to................

If you absolutely must use one of these things, only apply pressure on the stroke towards the heart/midline of the body. Better still, go & see a qualified sports massage therapist.

James W

In that case it looks like ill be sticking to my sports massages then! Never was a big fan of blotchy purple ankles!!

Thanks for the advice Nine pack and Hackskii

Just a quick question im guessing someone with a LSSM qualification is ok to go and see? Just that I know there are lots of 'cowboys' out there.

Thanks

James W

Nine Pack

By LSSM I presume you mean London School of Sports Massage. That's a very reputable qualification and you ought to get good treatment.

Being a Northener, I studied sports massage whilst getting my PT diploma here in Manchester. I don't do too much of it as to be honest, it's bl**dy hard graft & not conducive to my bodybuilding. I did get a massive amount of anatomy & physiology knowledge from the course, which I continue to build on. Hence my inane ramblings.

James W

Nine Pack

Yes sorry I did mean London School of Sports Massage, I forget people dont know what i mean if i dont type it! lol

Well thanks for the info on the foam roller ill be sure to stick to the massages, even though they hurt! good pain though ;)

I actually got a great tip from my sports massager, she said to make sure I get my appointment as one of the first of the day as her hands are still fresh, never thought about it but is probably worth it!

ah24

Quick question sorry to hijack!
jamesW..is that deep tissue massage that hurts? How exactly does it work?

James W

ah24,

yes you are right it is the deep tissue massage that hurts (me anyway) I didn't make clear earlier that I am getting treatment on an old hamstring injury, the purpose behind the massage for that is to help break down the scar tissue that has formed as a result of the injury.

Although having said that the massages also work on any tight areas you have (quads and glutes for me) and if you are especially tight then it will certainly be uncomfortable! Although maybe im just a wimp?

does that answer your question? i have a tendancy to ramble in posts:focus:

James W

hackskii

It will also stretch the fascia some and increase circulation along with moving toxins around the body to get rid of them.

Massage is awesome and I love to get massages, I have to specify tho that I need it hard.
It can be painfull but it is not supposed to feel good if you are in there for a reason.
I have a place where I go and they specialize in many many diffrent massages, hot rock, trigger point, rolphing(sp), deep tissue, Swedish, relaxation, it is a huge place with probably 20 massage therapists there.
Only 2 do trigger point. that is the one I want next.

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ah24

Sorry to be going off thread but whats trigger point?:iloveyou:
Dont answer if ya wanna get back on topic lol..

And JamesW, yep that helped cheers, im going to go get a session for my back soon - when i get stressed i get tight stress spots in my back that are agony!!

Though saying that, since iv been working out my back i havent had one!

hackskii

Trigger points are accumulations of waste products around a nerve receptor.
This can happen from overuse or injury. Increased muscle tension is the main simptom.
Releasing trigger points releases endorphins.
Trigger point is not relaxing, it hurts and it is their job to bust up those little problem areas, a good massage therapist is worth their weight in gold.
Often the good people are booked and an appointment is necessary.

Those two trigger point girls that are at a place I go are booked up all week, so if you wanted to go this week, forget it. That is how good these ladies are.
I have never done trigger point, but I bought a session for Winger (1 hour), and is more expensive than the regular massage, but winger said it was the best massage he ever had.

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Nine Pack

A trigger point is treated by using what is called the 'pain gate theory'. Pressure is applied on the offending area, usually intense pressure resulting in a lot of pain for the subject. The theory is that the body takes less energy to maintain a spasm, or adhesion between fibres, than it does to release it. So we use the bodys pain response to trick the body into thinking the spasm is taking more to maintain, than release. As ever, the human organism (on a cellular level) will always follow the path of least resistance.

Good fun for the masseur though if the subject is a pain in the a**

hackskii

Man that is one impressive post, sorry I cant give you any more reps.

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Mt wife is a glutton for this. Due to her athletics, she trains almost every day so once a week I set the massage table up & give her a good dig, mainly in the legs. It hurts like hell but she feels great afterwards. Probably just relief that the pain has stopped!

She never pays me though......................

Tinytom

I get this done every week

My guy does trigger pointing, normally on my shoulders and mid back and also does an aromatheraphy massage and Raiki.

Good treatment. Hurts like hell though,:boohoo:

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Nine Pack

I should get it done myself, but I know how it looks from the masseurs view so it ain't happening.

I'm sure you would'nt risk it Tom, but just in case, I'd leave the last one you have to no later than a week out from a show as it can cause a little water to be drawn onder the skin. At treatment time, yes, it disperses it, but the body will respond a few hours later by super-compensating sub cu water, then it will settle down after a few days.