A LOT of assorted questions - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Keyser Soze · 06-02-2006, 10:21 PM

1) What are the most overlooked mini-muscles that make the BIG difference?

2) What difference in size can I expect, as an experienced BB'er, by using Creatine for the first time?

3) What movements are good for front delts?

4) When cutting after a layoff, do you find yourself growing AND trimming simulteneously due to muscle memory?

5) How do you train Traps so you get overall height, but not the 45 degree slant? I appreciate that everyone's genetics are different, but are there exercises that promote fairly even development across the traps?

Thanks in advance,

KS

**hackskii** · 06-02-2006, 10:53 PM

Man, you like to ask hard questions huh?

1) To prevent shoulder injury rotator exercises, they are very neglected but this does not answer your question.
So to answer your question id say what ever muscle you are neglecting.

2) Not so much size but more strength and energy you can expend. This by itself can make size diffrence. Some believe that creatine makes your muscles bigger so you get stronger but I think it is actually the other way around. You can store about 5 grams of this but about the most you get is about 3.5 with eating meats.
Remember this is one of the only supplements that actually work for most people too.

3) Cutting or comming back from a layoff. With a good diet you will drop some fat but it is hard to gain muscle. The body is either in a anabolic state (growing) or a catabolic state (feeding off itself) or in the middle which is called homeostasis which is where neither of the above are happening and this is where the body actually likes to be.
So if you are asking if the body can be in a anabolic and catabolic state at the same time then the answer would be no.
But with a proper diet you will look alot better, be leaner and actually can be stronger.
If you are new and want to diet down while lifting then this would be the closest to where you are thinking.

5) traps.....This is the easiest question. Dead lifts. I never got anything from doing isolation for the traps. Started dead lifting and they are comming out. I did my personal best yesterday for 10 reps and my traps are hammered today.
Killer compound exercise, great for the legs, lower back, grip, abs, hell my bicep is sore today too (open grip hand). I used to hate them till I started noticing the results. My freaking hamstrings are so hard, they dont feel like they are mine.

DB · 06-02-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

1) What are the most overlooked mini-muscles that make the BIG difference?
abductor and adductors.. can add some nice width and detail to the leg
2) What difference in size can I expect, as an experienced BB'er, by using Creatine for the first time?
Abit of mass, 10x better pumps and a fuller feeling 24/7 imo
3) What movements are good for front delts?
Military press rules!!! but front delts get cained from any type of pressing movement
4) When cutting after a layoff, do you find yourself growing AND trimming simulteneously due to muscle memory?
Maybe a lil, but to be honest u either bulk or cut no middle point without steroids imo
5) How do you train Traps so you get overall height, but not the 45 degree slant? I appreciate that everyone's genetics are different, but are there exercises that promote fairly even development across the traps?
Deads/bent over rows/upright rows (close grip)

Thanks in advance,

KS

**hackskii** · 07-02-2006, 01:34 AM

Ah, I missed 3 and called it 4.....dammit:E

Military press and for the front delts, Mine got big from bench (bar).

I didnt answer one completely right. Low rows for even development across the traps but deads might be the best for size.

Lee · 07-02-2006, 03:39 PM

I like front raises for front delts

bdc · 07-02-2006, 07:27 PM

to break down a couple of questions,

3) the anterior deltoid contracts with both flexion and horizontal flexion of the shoulder joint, what exercises you choose are up to you

5) the trapezius is split into three sections, the upper, middle and lower. the fibres in these sections face different ways and therefore control different articulations, height of the trapezius would be the upper fibres which are controlled by the elevation of the shoulder girdle, sorry to DB and hackskii on this but deads and bent over rows would work your traps due to retraction of the shoulder girdle stimulating the middle fibres, this will add to the '45 degree slant' as it were. Depression contracts lower fibres, retraction- middle, elevation- upper.

06-02-2006, 10:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Keyser Soze Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Harrow, London, England. Posts: 729	A LOT of assorted questions 1) What are the most overlooked mini-muscles that make the BIG difference? 2) What difference in size can I expect, as an experienced BB'er, by using Creatine for the first time? 3) What movements are good for front delts? 4) When cutting after a layoff, do you find yourself growing AND trimming simulteneously due to muscle memory? 5) How do you train Traps so you get overall height, but not the 45 degree slant? I appreciate that everyone's genetics are different, but are there exercises that promote fairly even development across the traps? Thanks in advance, KS

06-02-2006, 10:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	Man, you like to ask hard questions huh? 1) To prevent shoulder injury rotator exercises, they are very neglected but this does not answer your question. So to answer your question id say what ever muscle you are neglecting. 2) Not so much size but more strength and energy you can expend. This by itself can make size diffrence. Some believe that creatine makes your muscles bigger so you get stronger but I think it is actually the other way around. You can store about 5 grams of this but about the most you get is about 3.5 with eating meats. Remember this is one of the only supplements that actually work for most people too. 3) Cutting or comming back from a layoff. With a good diet you will drop some fat but it is hard to gain muscle. The body is either in a anabolic state (growing) or a catabolic state (feeding off itself) or in the middle which is called homeostasis which is where neither of the above are happening and this is where the body actually likes to be. So if you are asking if the body can be in a anabolic and catabolic state at the same time then the answer would be no. But with a proper diet you will look alot better, be leaner and actually can be stronger. If you are new and want to diet down while lifting then this would be the closest to where you are thinking. 5) traps.....This is the easiest question. Dead lifts. I never got anything from doing isolation for the traps. Started dead lifting and they are comming out. I did my personal best yesterday for 10 reps and my traps are hammered today. Killer compound exercise, great for the legs, lower back, grip, abs, hell my bicep is sore today too (open grip hand). I used to hate them till I started noticing the results. My freaking hamstrings are so hard, they dont feel like they are mine. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-02-2006, 01:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	Ah, I missed 3 and called it 4.....dammit:E Military press and for the front delts, Mine got big from bench (bar). I didnt answer one completely right. Low rows for even development across the traps but deads might be the best for size. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-02-2006, 07:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
bdc Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 64	to break down a couple of questions, 3) the anterior deltoid contracts with both flexion and horizontal flexion of the shoulder joint, what exercises you choose are up to you 5) the trapezius is split into three sections, the upper, middle and lower. the fibres in these sections face different ways and therefore control different articulations, height of the trapezius would be the upper fibres which are controlled by the elevation of the shoulder girdle, sorry to DB and hackskii on this but deads and bent over rows would work your traps due to retraction of the shoulder girdle stimulating the middle fibres, this will add to the '45 degree slant' as it were. Depression contracts lower fibres, retraction- middle, elevation- upper.