Deads...I'm cutting, so why bother? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Keyser Soze · 05-01-2006, 09:16 PM

One thing that bothers me about Deadlifting...well one of two things, but the second is for another thread.

The Dead is primarily a mass-BUILDER....my Mondays are already spent doing Squats, Leg Curls and Good Mornings, and trust me, some weeks I have trouble getting off the lav.

So...why should I dead if I'm trying to shift blubber??? Is there any compelling reason to put them into my schedule?

Thanks,

KS

**big** · 06-01-2006, 12:59 PM

Yes, they are anabolic, so will spare muscle while cutting.

If your logic is to remove any mass builders while cutting, you would have to remove squats, bench, ohp, chins, rows etc etc too, and all you'd be left with is bicep curls and tricep kickbacks.

However, having said that, while cutting be VERY careful if you're using
volume and/or too much intensity. The idea of cutting is to spare muscle - i.e. stimulate just enough, as overtraining is much easier when you don't have an excess of calories.

crazycacti · 06-01-2006, 01:44 PM

nice post as always from the big man above ;)

the_gre8t_1ne · 06-01-2006, 01:48 PM

As above^^

**Aftershock** · 06-01-2006, 02:31 PM

The compound excersises also burn a sh!t load of calories. Just think how outo of breath you can get doing squats or deads.

Keyser Soze · 06-01-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by big

Yes, they are anabolic, so will spare muscle while cutting.

However, having said that, while cutting be VERY careful if you're using
volume and/or too much intensity. The idea of cutting is to spare muscle - i.e. stimulate just enough, as overtraining is much easier when you don't have an excess of calories.

Appreciated and agreed. Will leave them out until bulking.

Quote:

If your logic is to remove any mass builders while cutting, you would have to remove squats, bench, ohp, chins, rows etc etc too, and all you'd be left with is bicep curls and tricep kickbacks.

Ha! :clap2:

Thanks for the wisdom mate,

KS

bdc · 30-01-2006, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

One thing that bothers me about Deadlifting...well one of two things, but the second is for another thread.

The Dead is primarily a mass-BUILDER....my Mondays are already spent doing Squats, Leg Curls and Good Mornings, and trust me, some weeks I have trouble getting off the lav.

So...why should I dead if I'm trying to shift blubber??? Is there any compelling reason to put them into my schedule?

Thanks,

KS

i hope that there are more leg exercises than the ones you have included, if they are all the leg exercises you perform you have two hamstring exercises and only one quad, you could be building yourself up for injury

**big** · 30-01-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bdc

i hope that there are more leg exercises than the ones you have included, if they are all the leg exercises you perform you have two hamstring exercises and only one quad, you could be building yourself up for injury

Why's that dude?

The guys at Westside are doing squats and then a heap of hamstring work. Often they even do GMs instead of squats and then hamstring/posterior chain work. There's little/no direct quad work there, and they're the guys who are squatting 400kg+. And they sure don't have small legs

IMO if you're doing squats right, that should be all you need to stimulate quads, hams and glutes just fine.

Keyser Soze · 30-01-2006, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big

Why's that dude?

The guys at Westside are doing squats and then a heap of hamstring work. Often they even do GMs instead of squats and then hamstring/posterior chain work. There's little/no direct quad work there, and they're the guys who are squatting 400kg+. And they sure don't have small legs

IMO if you're doing squats right, that should be all you need to stimulate quads, hams and glutes just fine.

I'm inclined to agree, the squat is simply the best damn movement in weight training, period. I'd love to squat to failure - but sadly I train alone at home.

KS

bdc · 30-01-2006, 05:02 PM

i do not doubt they have big legs by any means. postural problems can occur as result of imbalanced routines, looking at all the people who have protracted shoulder girdles as a result of too much bench pressing without adequate pulling movements to compensate, just as hypertrophy in the back would result in girdle retraction without adequate chest work to even it up. Too much of one without the other could result in weaknesses in either the vastus medialis or the hamstring

**hackskii** · 30-01-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bdc

i do not doubt they have big legs by any means. postural problems can occur as result of imbalanced routines, looking at all the people who have protracted shoulder girdles as a result of too much bench pressing without adequate pulling movements to compensate, just as hypertrophy in the back would result in girdle retraction without adequate chest work to even it up. Too much of one without the other could result in weaknesses in either the vastus medialis or the hamstring

I injured my shoulder trying to get my bench way up there and kindof neglecting my rear delt and rhomboids.
That injury is taken 2 years to kindof heal.
I do way more back work now and am trying to ballance them out.
I put more emphasis on back work than chest.

This didnt happen overnight but took years to manafest.
Sucks, now I just do flat bench dumbells and some incline work using light weight.

You have to have ballance.

bdc · 30-01-2006, 05:33 PM

exactly, i do more back work than chest work as well due to postural problems. stretch the muscle that is too tight, work the muscles that are loose/weak. you would find a high proportion of well developed people with bad posture for one reason or another.

**big pete** · 01-02-2006, 12:39 PM

bdc, good post.

your right about problems occuring from imbalance! for one movement theres gotta be a counter.

when it comes to it, this is a short sum-up of my current routine to counter this.
mon, squat+dead
weds, inc chest, shoulders+tris
fri, leg press, inc BB rows, rear delts and finally chins

al bases covered, and feel better for it! though shoulder has started to play up,lol

bdc · 04-02-2006, 06:29 PM

what kind of intensity are you squatting/deadlifting at?

**big pete** · 06-02-2006, 02:05 PM

pretty high intensity, why?

05-01-2006, 09:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
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big pete UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	bdc, good post. your right about problems occuring from imbalance! for one movement theres gotta be a counter. when it comes to it, this is a short sum-up of my current routine to counter this. mon, squat+dead weds, inc chest, shoulders+tris fri, leg press, inc BB rows, rear delts and finally chins al bases covered, and feel better for it! though shoulder has started to play up,lol __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

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30-01-2006, 05:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
bdc Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 64	i do not doubt they have big legs by any means. postural problems can occur as result of imbalanced routines, looking at all the people who have protracted shoulder girdles as a result of too much bench pressing without adequate pulling movements to compensate, just as hypertrophy in the back would result in girdle retraction without adequate chest work to even it up. Too much of one without the other could result in weaknesses in either the vastus medialis or the hamstring

30-01-2006, 05:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
bdc Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 64	exactly, i do more back work than chest work as well due to postural problems. stretch the muscle that is too tight, work the muscles that are loose/weak. you would find a high proportion of well developed people with bad posture for one reason or another.

04-02-2006, 06:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
bdc Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 64	what kind of intensity are you squatting/deadlifting at?

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big pete UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	pretty high intensity, why? __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '