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ChefX · 22-04-2005, 01:48 AM

IMO
H, on its own or with or without cycle as the actions are different from gear, think more adaptogenic, funny thing is we know that trib (with active Protodioscin) works independant of LH now and hence its not just useful post cycle or stuff like that. Mum, ecdy and sib all always work on a non hormonal pathway.

The other thing is these items have been proven with specific training and diets (think soviet styles aka iso cal/zone/nerve/strength/function) hence many people doing radically different diets/training will not get the "same" effect. This is not to say it will not work on another diet or training than my own, it just says the closer they are to what they were originally intended the better they work.

IMO
only one brand makes legit ecdy thats thermolife
only 2 companies have decent trib thats thermolife and sohparma (biotest I don't trust but has a formula that used to be 1/4 strength so you had to take many times the label amount listed)
as far as moomiyo the best brand is still altay, I know a few others out there but its quite hard to find and all of them are Russian

Now, as far as why I can say this, I have tested in person, in the lab and also talked with sources for this stuff (yes in the former soviet republics as well) As an example Many bottles of trib have 100% tribulus in them, but it doesn't have any of the active ingridient (Protodioscin) due to improper manufacturing/harvesting techniques. A big problem with any herb. To make matters worse, many companies list tribulus but cut it with a weed, nothing dangerous just not effective at all either. Also many suppliers sell this weed mixture and tell or show the company buying the raw stuff an illegit essay on it. The supplement industry is far far from legit, hence if you ever try a product and it doesn't work, better to try a few other brand names of something to make sure that it was the item not the actual brand. Which brings up a point as well. I have found that when you use a single ingridient item you almost always get better results and more pure accurate dosage. Many herbal mixtures or supplement mixtures are not consistent. A fantastic example of this is ECA/ECY products. Purchase pure ephedreine , caffeiene and Yohimbine and take them in the right dose level 10/100/2 yes that is the right mixture its always 1 part eph to 10 parts caffeine for the synergy and in the pure stuff you need way less of it, you will see. Those who have trouble getting the items I suggest in my alchemy would do very well to just buy the induvidual items from the combinations if you can't find the right brand/product. it will increase your odds of getting the right amounts.

22-04-2005, 01:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	IMO H, on its own or with or without cycle as the actions are different from gear, think more adaptogenic, funny thing is we know that trib (with active Protodioscin) works independant of LH now and hence its not just useful post cycle or stuff like that. Mum, ecdy and sib all always work on a non hormonal pathway. The other thing is these items have been proven with specific training and diets (think soviet styles aka iso cal/zone/nerve/strength/function) hence many people doing radically different diets/training will not get the "same" effect. This is not to say it will not work on another diet or training than my own, it just says the closer they are to what they were originally intended the better they work. IMO only one brand makes legit ecdy thats thermolife only 2 companies have decent trib thats thermolife and sohparma (biotest I don't trust but has a formula that used to be 1/4 strength so you had to take many times the label amount listed) as far as moomiyo the best brand is still altay, I know a few others out there but its quite hard to find and all of them are Russian Now, as far as why I can say this, I have tested in person, in the lab and also talked with sources for this stuff (yes in the former soviet republics as well) As an example Many bottles of trib have 100% tribulus in them, but it doesn't have any of the active ingridient (Protodioscin) due to improper manufacturing/harvesting techniques. A big problem with any herb. To make matters worse, many companies list tribulus but cut it with a weed, nothing dangerous just not effective at all either. Also many suppliers sell this weed mixture and tell or show the company buying the raw stuff an illegit essay on it. The supplement industry is far far from legit, hence if you ever try a product and it doesn't work, better to try a few other brand names of something to make sure that it was the item not the actual brand. Which brings up a point as well. I have found that when you use a single ingridient item you almost always get better results and more pure accurate dosage. Many herbal mixtures or supplement mixtures are not consistent. A fantastic example of this is ECA/ECY products. Purchase pure ephedreine , caffeiene and Yohimbine and take them in the right dose level 10/100/2 yes that is the right mixture its always 1 part eph to 10 parts caffeine for the synergy and in the pure stuff you need way less of it, you will see. Those who have trouble getting the items I suggest in my alchemy would do very well to just buy the induvidual items from the combinations if you can't find the right brand/product. it will increase your odds of getting the right amounts.