cap I only use 2 of their items as the others are combinations I don't approve of, so I have not even tested them.
killer they make more, go see them at :
http://www.thermolife.com/Products.html
I'm sure they are tops if you use them. I know the guy who manufactures this stuff and when we were consideing making our own brand of supps I was going to use this guy. he is the biggest raw supplier to all the major brands. (Yes knowing the supplier is vital to knowing if stuff is legit)
His other stuff will be legit, but like I said, the formulas so far are not to my taste, I'm sure they work if used right.