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ChefX · 09-02-2005, 03:37 PM

I should drop this now to prevent a stir, but I'll pursue it a bit further.

The pain and swelling of gout are caused by uric acid crystals that deposit in the joint. Uric acid is a substance that normally forms when the body breaks down waste products called purines. Uric acid usually is dissolved in the blood and passes through the kidneys into the urine. In people with gout, the uric acid level in the blood is so high (not the blood PH and alkalines will not alter these crystals, they need enzymes like the ones found in cherries) that uric acid crystals are deposited in joints and other tissues. This causes the joint lining (the synovium) to become inflamed. Uric acid is produced by the body. Controlling the bodies reactions are the answer to controlling gout, not PH. By the way ever notice how circulation slows down in larger fatter people and how they get gout? Since the blood can not remove the crystals 9which are natural) from the body they get built up in regions and people develope gout, if you have them just loose some fat and exercise the gout clears up. Exercise raises acid levels in the blood, it should make gout worse if ph is to blame but its actually the cure. (same for below)

arthritis - there are more than 100 different types of arthritis and the cause/treatment is different for each. Some things are the immune system attackting the joint tissue (this is starting to show up with dnp users now in research big time by the way), bacterial and viral attacks, damage from impact and yes, poor nutrition as well. PH is not one of them. Again when people switch from eating junk to eating vegetables (what they consider a low alkaline diet0 they feel better, it is not the alkalinity or Ph of the diet, its the nutrition. Also people who are overweight have a higher frequency of arthritis (its the weight and lack of musclular support).

heartburn - a big one for many, Excess - Coffee, tea, Chocolate, Fried and fatty foods, Tomatoes and tomato-based products, Alcohol, Tobacco and Citrus juices, tend to "relax" the lower esophageal sphincter (LES). They allow the reflux of stomach contents into the esophagus. It also can "increase" the production of stomach acid. (not the blood ph)

Large meals, Eating within 2 to 3 hours prior to bedtime & Wearing tight fitting clothing
A full stomach can put extra pressure on the lower esophageal sphincter (LES), which will increase the chance that some of this food will reflux into the esophagus. Also Lying down with a full stomach and clothing that fits tightly around the abdomen will squeeze the stomach.

NOW here is the situation, I understand why and what about this discussion because I am both an MD and a ND I have sudied both sides, but I still work at the base. the above is only IMHO not facts. It is for a discussion and does not mean anyone else is wrong, it is only my reasons and observances.

09-02-2005, 03:37 PM	#21 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	I should drop this now to prevent a stir, but I'll pursue it a bit further. The pain and swelling of gout are caused by uric acid crystals that deposit in the joint. Uric acid is a substance that normally forms when the body breaks down waste products called purines. Uric acid usually is dissolved in the blood and passes through the kidneys into the urine. In people with gout, the uric acid level in the blood is so high (not the blood PH and alkalines will not alter these crystals, they need enzymes like the ones found in cherries) that uric acid crystals are deposited in joints and other tissues. This causes the joint lining (the synovium) to become inflamed. Uric acid is produced by the body. Controlling the bodies reactions are the answer to controlling gout, not PH. By the way ever notice how circulation slows down in larger fatter people and how they get gout? Since the blood can not remove the crystals 9which are natural) from the body they get built up in regions and people develope gout, if you have them just loose some fat and exercise the gout clears up. Exercise raises acid levels in the blood, it should make gout worse if ph is to blame but its actually the cure. (same for below) arthritis - there are more than 100 different types of arthritis and the cause/treatment is different for each. Some things are the immune system attackting the joint tissue (this is starting to show up with dnp users now in research big time by the way), bacterial and viral attacks, damage from impact and yes, poor nutrition as well. PH is not one of them. Again when people switch from eating junk to eating vegetables (what they consider a low alkaline diet0 they feel better, it is not the alkalinity or Ph of the diet, its the nutrition. Also people who are overweight have a higher frequency of arthritis (its the weight and lack of musclular support). heartburn - a big one for many, Excess - Coffee, tea, Chocolate, Fried and fatty foods, Tomatoes and tomato-based products, Alcohol, Tobacco and Citrus juices, tend to "relax" the lower esophageal sphincter (LES). They allow the reflux of stomach contents into the esophagus. It also can "increase" the production of stomach acid. (not the blood ph) Large meals, Eating within 2 to 3 hours prior to bedtime & Wearing tight fitting clothing A full stomach can put extra pressure on the lower esophageal sphincter (LES), which will increase the chance that some of this food will reflux into the esophagus. Also Lying down with a full stomach and clothing that fits tightly around the abdomen will squeeze the stomach. NOW here is the situation, I understand why and what about this discussion because I am both an MD and a ND I have sudied both sides, but I still work at the base. the above is only IMHO not facts. It is for a discussion and does not mean anyone else is wrong, it is only my reasons and observances.