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Biker · 09-02-2005, 03:14 PM

I agree with some of what Bill says but not with some other parts (lol same goes for most of what I've read by most people)

but then if he does say that 2 weeks is all the time required for enanth he is contradicting himself, as clearly while there is still some active substance in the blood you are still within the active life, so you must take that into account you can't avoid it.

He has in past recommend using clomid, I don't know if he has suggested different somewhere else or not?

I believe that so many of the tables of active life/halflife/detection times etc. on the net are crap! someone many years ago made an educated guess or two and the next thing everyone is copying it from site to site, forum to forum and it becomes gospel. Many 'experts' now agree that most of halflives being quoted are 1 - 2 days to long.

It I believe relates a lot more to half life than many believe, it just to me appears logical and works for everyone I have suggested it to (lots of people).

I agree that you can attempt to help restore LH levels earlier no arguement there but you can't recover until the levels are low enough to allow so. Actually for this reason I recommend to people that seek my advice (lol their are some fools out there that do ;) ) use half a nolva and half a clomid pill ED from the day after the last shot until the day clomid commences. But I see that as setting them up ready for PCT proper and blocking any high levels of oestogen which will be floating about at this time.

Now lets hold in mind the average person is doing PCT for 3 weeks max, so if they've lost the first week (or as you say not lost, but done little more than set thereselves up ready to recover) or more there's little hope of fast recovery.

I get a lot of people asking about PCT related problems and it's shocking how many people aren't fully recovering, and they don't realise until they eventually take a long break. The case is that 99% of people are getting blood work done and are back on another cycle as soon as they start to feel ok so in reality they're doing little more than stimulating LH and believing they've recovered.

lol interesting thread ;)

of course as you say it's all irrelevant with shorter cycles with fast acting esters. But also of little relevance if people switch to fast esters for the last 3-4 weeks of longer cycles.

09-02-2005, 03:14 PM	#25 (permalink)
Biker Part of the UK-M furniture... gathering dust in the corner :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,802	I agree with some of what Bill says but not with some other parts (lol same goes for most of what I've read by most people) but then if he does say that 2 weeks is all the time required for enanth he is contradicting himself, as clearly while there is still some active substance in the blood you are still within the active life, so you must take that into account you can't avoid it. He has in past recommend using clomid, I don't know if he has suggested different somewhere else or not? I believe that so many of the tables of active life/halflife/detection times etc. on the net are crap! someone many years ago made an educated guess or two and the next thing everyone is copying it from site to site, forum to forum and it becomes gospel. Many 'experts' now agree that most of halflives being quoted are 1 - 2 days to long. It I believe relates a lot more to half life than many believe, it just to me appears logical and works for everyone I have suggested it to (lots of people). I agree that you can attempt to help restore LH levels earlier no arguement there but you can't recover until the levels are low enough to allow so. Actually for this reason I recommend to people that seek my advice (lol their are some fools out there that do ;) ) use half a nolva and half a clomid pill ED from the day after the last shot until the day clomid commences. But I see that as setting them up ready for PCT proper and blocking any high levels of oestogen which will be floating about at this time. Now lets hold in mind the average person is doing PCT for 3 weeks max, so if they've lost the first week (or as you say not lost, but done little more than set thereselves up ready to recover) or more there's little hope of fast recovery. I get a lot of people asking about PCT related problems and it's shocking how many people aren't fully recovering, and they don't realise until they eventually take a long break. The case is that 99% of people are getting blood work done and are back on another cycle as soon as they start to feel ok so in reality they're doing little more than stimulating LH and believing they've recovered. lol interesting thread ;) of course as you say it's all irrelevant with shorter cycles with fast acting esters. But also of little relevance if people switch to fast esters for the last 3-4 weeks of longer cycles. Last edited by Biker; 09-02-2005 at 03:27 PM.