Charno

Yeah I'm in the same position as some you fellas, I can do maybe three or four with decent form before I start hoiking (a technical term) myself up with my arms and shoulders. I've never tried narrow grip chins since they incorporate the biceps more and I use the wide grips in my back workout.

I usually do about three or four, then two then...I go assisted just to feel like I've got some strength at all.

I've really progressed in the past few months at dips, but the wide grips are just at a standstill. They have been for as long as I can remember. I might do some lateral pull downs as suggested, never thought to try them to to improve my wide grip chins.

I do watch some people do a good few reps but they hardly seem to be moving at all, doing partials at best, really fast. I try to go all the way down and all the way up. It's a killer. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.