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lmao at this thread in general.

Some people wish to look good with minimal work these people are akin to girls who get liposuction and fake breasts, is either goal more nobel of course not good lord every one to their own.
Just because you like to grunt and groan doesnt make you better than any one else.
I personally am one of the guys who thinks training and diet is the most important thing and every thing else is just icing but i am not so arrogant as to pass judgement on others.