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First off loved the video of the power cleans and look at how perfect her form was.
I like to do 2 widening and 2 thickening. I think pulling from different angles is good imo. The back is the biggest sheet of muscle so it needs more work.
Have you seen the movie, "I am legend" with Will Smith. Did you notice how he didn't do a full range of motion? If you didn't see the movie click here.
I personally don't go all the way down either but I go allot deeper that Will does. When you don't go all the way down it kind of spreads the lats out and that is what you want.
Another excercse that I have not tried but sounds promising is strap lots of weights to your waist and strap your grip and hang for as long as you can with a very wide grip. That should (in theory) give you a wide back.
For every study that says wide grip gives you a wide back comes a study that says wide grip doesn't matter.
My take is that it does.
As for cleans and deads, do cleans on shoulder day and space out your back day and shoulder day. Any questions?
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what you say makes sense mate and is kind of what i was suspecting you would come up with
i havnt seen i am legend but i have watched the clip you posted and i go a bit deeper but may consider keeping on doing them how i am and adding more weight, i have been doing them underhand for a few weeks as i struggle to stop on overhands (and go too far and fook me delt up)
my arms go to just past an l shape (if that makes sense) when i say past i mean a bit lower then an l shape would be
one option may be to eliminate good mornings and do power cleans then (after squats) but my lower back is always fooked after squats, this is the main reason why i dont do stiff leg deads, so i may have to drop them again
and yeah i was surprised that the first videon on your tube when you type in "power cleans" was a good one, ususally it takes a while to find a suitable video
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Chuffed as mintballs you joined in with the rugby Dave Go and see someone about your shoulder it could get worse if not....I damaged mine doing ninja death rolls about 2 years ago, left it for a few weeks then ended up in a+e I'd torn the tendons and ligaments where the clavicle meets the shoulder socket, they didn't do anything though so went to a private sports physio, he said also I'd caught tendon/ligament or possibly muscle under my scapula and around the shoulder socket, my arm and shoulder is still tight but not as bad as it was, but I do continue to get a warm sickly feeling behind the scapula, it makes me want to try and get my hand underneath and pull it, it's so frustratin.
Must go back to physio and get contorted ouch....................I can get you the number of the guy near me if you like
Lin x
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sounds nasty :(
the problem now is that if i go and they say to have a rest there goes the rugby though - i am glad i got stuck in and next week i can do the full game (now i know a few of them)
a few of the younger peopel there were big but carrying a lot of fat so i should get a game straight off, however fat peopel who just run and get taken to ground could be handy, so at the moment i may end up on the wing, or balsl to it hooker
im not afraid of digs (doors, boxing, etc) but i'll see what the digs at rugby are like, it may be worth taking more digs if it means less running (ie if i went on the wing) hahaha
pre-season training starts in 4 weeks so ive got a bit of time to get down each week and do the same as last night, and a part of me cant wait which may sound daft as i only did 30 minutes, but ive also got 4 weeks to get as many rules learned as possible
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They don't know why it happened - Horse riding? Carrying big fat babies in front slings? They said she was very young (34) for it just to be wear and tear. They went in (keyhole) through three different places on the shoulder, front back and side. The first week it was very sore but you have to get it moving pretty much immediately, so she only used the sling when going out so people would keep their distance and not bump into her. The recovery was longer than we thought - six weeks off work. Loads of physio. She was able to drive after about four weeks. It isn't better, same symptoms remain but to a lesser degree. It's ok some days, but on damp days she still has this dull ache. The little finger and one next to it are often very cold, in fact that whole hand seems colder generally. They wondered if there was a problem in the neck (as this is what usually affects the hand) but an MRI revealed nothing. Even with the physio and some light weights during the months after the op, that arm remains significantly weaker, and although you can't really tell, she is conscious that the muscle tone is different to that in the other arm.
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also sounds nasty mate,
my sister had some cartlidge shaved off her knee a bit ago and they ballsed it up, so it has not been right since, but to be fair it is better then it was (she had to walk up hills backwards) so i imagine it may be the same sort of thing?
phew my journal has become a depressing place with all this injury talk, its a good job i am not a hypocondriac
cheers for popping in folks