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Originally Posted by Pscarb  this i did not know so Cookie i do apologise as i did not know cwoody had done this on his thread.... |
No problems Paul.
As to answer one of your other posts.
Fits pointed out not everyone has access to a doctor that will watch over them. So everything has to be done in such a way to *minimise* shutdown, suppression will happen to a degree but not complete shutdown as with *normal* suggested cycles.
As of yet I am unable to find any form of eveidence which pinpoints *exactly* at what dosage or time frame that the body will start to suppress hormonal releases when taking in steroids any form of steroid or steroid cycle.
People ridicule the low dose 14x14, 14x21, 16x21 but then go ahead and front load with loads of dbol and other drugs.. To me thats just double standards..
So it gets a little tiring when continually confronted with *blood tests blood tests* as nobody else who gives out cycle advice on this or any other forum is expected to. No matter what the dosage as it is just seen as falling into the *normal* way of doing things.
I`ve done this cycle in the past (late 1995, early 1996) and I have had 2 kids since then. I know the cycle(s) work. I`m still alive, I have kids, all my recent test results show that I now have the liver & kidney functions of a 16 year old (contrary to what some poeple post above my liver functions) and eveyrhting else is hunky dorey.
Sam69 has done this cycle and so have countless others in a number of formats.
So yeah I/we get defencive when the same old same old crap keeps reappearing by a select few with what now comes across as bitterness & sour grapes with ulterior motives.
Boring...
You try to help and give different viewpoints to only be shotdown for being willing to rock the conventional thinking boat..
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Originally Posted by cwoody123 Mate hackski used that term loosely! and you know it...he meant don't post ****e or attacks on my post but instead to post constructive critiscm like i have on this thread.
Yes you have and not just to me but also to others in your journal(s)
Look back at my posts...they all detail the need for blood test results...not..."O where do you live so i can beat your head in" type of messages!
Where do we say we are going to beat you up?
Those are VERY GENUINE OFFERS of 1 on 1 FREE help, all I ask is that I been allowed to video the training for my site & youtube.
Choice is yours, but you`ll soon see we are a lot different to what we are percieved to be.
Lets round this up by saying i do not advocate this type of cycle until i see more evidence that it is not optimal in the long term...people are free to choose what they want to do, if they want to follow this type of cycle then that's fine i just feel i have every right to question it, the debate is there for them all to see so they can make there OWN minds up based on the anecdotal & Physical evidence!
And I have every right to say what I feel regarding your way of doing things!!!!!!!!!!!!
But when I do in whatever style good or bad I am beaten down and portrayed as *picking* on you..
Pot calling the kettle black there woody..
No i am not medically trained i just know a hell of a lot about the endocrine system from personal experience and learning. My doctor admitted to me that he knew **** all about it and my some of things my endo comes out with would make you wonder how the hell she managed to get the job...what i am saying is just because some one has medical training does not mean they instantly know what they are talking about!
If you have the right doctor you may find that they do know what they are talking about.
I have a very good doctor on some levels bad on others.
Too many people on bbing forums seems to have a *thing* about qualifications, very narrow minded.
Cookie i don't shroud anything...i am far to dumb to be that manipulative lol |
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Originally Posted by romper stomper Well this is a bodybuilding site and if you post pics they are going to be judged, you do seem to give alot of advice, and in my book the proof is in the pudding and in your case the pudding is still uncooked !!! and in the mixing bowl.
No offence meant but i would not take advice about steroids from a guy with a pic like yours. |
Interesting.... And I can see where you are coming from..
Well I`m nothing like I *used* to look like, yet people still take advice of me, have my own forum, over 200 subscribers to my youtube stuff and heading towards half a million veiwings.
I must be doing something wrong....lol
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Originally Posted by cwoody123 Well in my case mate...the proof is not in the pudding because i have not had a cooker for the last 10 years to make the ****ing thing...2 years with an oven and i am rising!
If you don't like the simple fact that i know what i am talking about then that's your own issue...I don't pretend to know everything like some so called experts on this but i try and test things with regular blood test results which i feel is more appealing to a newbie than the " Look at the size of my guns' Character.
As i said people who judge a book by its cover make presumptions...and as Andy McNab once said "Presumptions are the mother of all **** ups" |
Now your getting defensive, and you pull others down for that... Tut Tut..
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Originally Posted by winger Do I agree with the short, low dose cycles, yes. Can a low dose cycle shut you down? It depends on the person. I know two guys personally that have done 14 days on, 14 days off and both of them got shut down and are on testosterone gel, prescribed by a doctor.
Can this protocol work? Yes it could, but it needs tweaking after the first 14 day cycle.
ChefX did this style with blood work and Cookie actually touched on it.
If memory serves (and it doesn't  ) 14 days on 14 days off, 14 days on 21 days off.
Once again I don't do gear, but that is just me and in no way do I fault anyone for doing it! |
So now we`ve switched from it causing shutdown to *depends from person to person*
And I bet those individuals have problems before they undertook steroid use?
Did they stick to the suggested dose of 5mgs per day?
Which is what we suggested to people starting out on this protocol..
I love the way people (anyone) fires into this protocol over taking 35mgs per week yet think noting of telling people to take that and more daily for a first cycle..
HYPOCRITES.................
I`m going to have to stop replying to all this as it is getting boring going round and round in circles..
Unless of course I see more input from other sources or requests to continue with my ramblings
The basic thing is guys,
Too many use drugs as a crutch, they poison their systems with too many supplements, too high an intake of protein and protein shakes, train with poor programs, train too often usually in an overly stimulated way. Are more often than not dehydrated, lacking in vital vitamins & minerals, yet massively over dosing on some forms of vits/mins. Have poor recovery habits, drink too much alcohol, take too many non steroidal drugs. Have never seen an active recovery program, wouldn`t touch a stretching program of any form, the list goes on & on.
Yet said same individuals, moan that they aint growing, knock me for *unconventional thinking, belittle a program as outlined in this MASSIVE thread.
And are quite willing to spends thousands each year on supplemnts,drugs, pumping Steroids, GH, IGF-1, Insulin DNP, epherdrine, T3, T4 and numerous other compounds that are around these days into their bodies all in a single cycle which people on here do and have done.With no scientific back up as to how these compounds are going to interact long term.
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Choice is yours............................................. .......................
And make sure to inform me why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!