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| Re: keeping all gains from epistane.
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Originally Posted by Pscarb  Gav is not having a go at you what he is saying is the truth and believe me he knows about strength....
ok
basicly if you need to use any steroid after 7months training you have not got good genetics this is fact as those with good genetics do not take steroids....
have not got good genetics?
never heard of anyone gaining 10-12lbs lean a month with good genetics.
the gains you are aiming for in such a short space of time is impossible to acheive why will you not believe this many of us have been in this game for many years and know what it takes....
i want to do a cycle with epistane that will get me 10-12lbs. if i can do that im happy, and if my subsequent gains after that are 2lbs monthly, im happy.
you keep on saying about all the research you are doing and the reading of books yet you still dont have a grasp on PCT why is that?? |
i do have a firm grasp, believe me in this. theres dam near f all out there to help me decide properly, everything is contradictory.
one place says do NOLVA only and it will bring your HPTA back into gear.
another says do CLOMID only as it will kickstart your HPTA better than NOLVA.
another says NOLVA through clinical trials is better at improving pituary sensitivity and kickstarts your HPTA better than NOLVA
my cousin is saying to me CLOMID is tablet HCG, whilst an article of williams leeewlin says NOLVA is much better compound for PCT than CLOMID and has better 'HCG' factors.
Other people i know are saying dont even bother with PCT.
on some forums i've read to take HCG for epistane
The owner of extremesupplements is telling me to do the following - nolva PCT, x-lean 3 weeks, cissus drol 6 weeks.
a freind of mine with 10 years bodybuilding exp and with gear said to me, since your 18, you've been in puberty for 5 years, 1 month wont hurt you and your test levels will go back up anyway. its homeostatis.
countless number of books i've read say use 20mg nolva everyday side by side with said compound.
a member here says im going to get gyno because my test levels are already highest at 18(they're bloody well not, they are highest at 21 and i've checked this in science books) and thus my estrogen will be high and thus ill get gynoeven if the bloody compound has a serm in it.
i've read 10-20mg of estradiol will remove near to all ESTROGEN in ones body, dispelling the idea of using an extra serm after and before.
i've been told to do CLOMID and NOLVA together to 'defend' myself and protect myself
some science sources state that clomid and nolva work against each other, decreasing and increasing pituary sensitivity.
on top of this, theres loads of you telling me not to even bother.
heres the mick hart section:
he said to me use hcg 1x a week for 3 weeks after cycle and take nolva.
in his books it doesnt even mention PCT - this was when i rang him.
his books, not informative at all.
he told me to not even bother using these free forums, as everyone talks ****, and the majority of information in most cases is utter bollocks. from personal experience with forums, i know this is true for natural bodybuilding per se. this rings true for muscletalk, myprotein and bodybuilding.com
maybe you see my problems with PCT?
this is what i have to work out:
1. how the hell do i PCT this properly bringing my dam balls online as quick as possible and my normal test levels and what not.
2. how to keep ALL if not 90%+ gains from doing this dam cycle within my PCT protocol.
too bad i cant work any of that crap out with the following bull**** contradictory advice.
my answers to 1 and 2 are the following.
1. just use bloody nolva.
2. nolva will take care of it.
however, i've yet to learn more and im learning day by day.
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What did you start out shoulder pressing? Must have 20kg x 3 or your math is letting you down mate.
no, i remember doing 40 x 8.
im a dam cricketer, i've been training my shoulders since i was 13.
Also, Cricket IS subject to drug testing by UK Sport. Great start to your county career, very ethical stance you've chosen there.
i play for my county, i've never been tested once. even so, i've read things on passing the tests.
lol please dont lecture me on ethics.
"Hi, I'm 18 and really want to be a drugs cheat in time for going to Uni...can you help?"
i've found out everything myself, with help off no-one on a forum.
i dont know who im talking to on this forum, you could be 10 years old for all i know.
Re your comment regarding others doing much more a the same age, it is irrelevant - the actions of others don't effect the morality of your choices at all.
i wont comment on that.
I'm out now, I've said my piece and will leave it at that. I'm not "having a go" at you. I'm pointing out that in my opinion the course of action you are proposing is foolish.
no. as long as everything i do is calculated i'll be fine. too bad i cant calculate it eh?
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Why question to you is why you beleive you can gain 12lbs of muscle in 4 weeks. Sorry you answered that when you said you were Naive...
its been done before on epi.
Instead of provocing an argument with Gavin (WeeG) why not listen to what the man has to say and perhaps learn something from him...?
"Anyway, rant over." - he had a go at me first. please read. what the man has to say? hes talking ****, theres nothing constructive. if im going ahead with this, he should advise me BEST as to HOW to go about it, yet i doubt he can since hes lecturing me on ethics of steriod use and labelling it cheating. tell him hes on a forum of which people use steriods.
At best you may gain 4lbs of muscle on a 4 week course - note these would not be linear gains. Anything else will be Glycogen supercompensation, water retention and a possible increase in Hematocrit.
thats crap. i've read otherwise elsewhere.
I still continually fail to see why people beleive the 14lbs they gained on a 12 week cycle they beleive to be muscle, and wonder why they only keep ~50% to ~70% of the weight gain.:crazy:
in all of what i wanted to gain, im talking in lean muscle mass.
DrHIT since you lasted posted in January about your expertise based on your newbie gains you don't appear to have done much training. You had 6months training under your belt in January, and 7months training under your belt now it is May.... Curious non...?
yeh very curouis seeing as my freind made the account, and decides to post bull**** to **** people off on forums. im not going to bother to make another account purely for the sake of myself.
curoius non?
now it seems you are having a go at me. in normal circumstance its better to just answer the dam question, or just not bother at all. thats common sense, of which an 18 year old is teaching you.
why did you bother wasting your time? that extra 5 minutes you spent writing all that could have been attributed in doing something constructive.
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