Originally Posted by Wee G

HiYa Karl,

nice to see you here.

Thing for me about this product is that it contains a good mix of what COULD be useful and is definitely allowed, and what is definitely useful and definitely allowed.

The PH era is dead.

Still kicking but dead...and without massive changes in T to supraphysiological levels no-one is going to notice gains that stand out across a period of a few weeks. So, no natural T elevation product is going to boggle the mind. So, makes sense to start looking at a "bigger picture"...get the zinc and magnesium in there as baseline support, get the anti-ox levles up, work with insulinomimetics to help a little more and so on. It's a good "many bases" product.

Only level criticism is that if i was making it myself it would have a lot more of certain things (but that would make it cost prohibitive and it would sell "0") and i don't go for the science behind ecdysterones.

Regarding taking it the last time i used a commercial product for long enough to evaluate it, in isolation from anything else, was....errr....geeee....ummm....lol. Seriously, my last big supps spend was from bulk powder manufacturers to make my own homebrews - very effective they are to but can't sell em as noone will pay what they would cost.

ho hum.

Anyway mucker, gimme a yell over at highlandmuscle.com if you want to discuss supps in depth, from an industry POV, anytime. It's nice and quiet over there!

G.