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Originally Posted by Britbb  Very true. But joe did chase a superfight with roy jones jr back in the day, jones ducked him constantly.
Why would jones put his credibility on the line at his peak against a tricky southpaw foriegn fighter when the money wouldnt be a big payday either. So it never happened.
As for hopkins, he is a great fighter. But the best people hes fought and won against are:
1. de la hoya
2. trinidad
3. eastman
4. winky wright
5. tarver
De la hoya was fighting a natural middleweight and he himself was way out of his weight category.
Trinidad was a class fighter for sure but not a natural middleweight.
Eastman, good fighter but not great.
Wright, again way out of his weight division, hes a light middleweight but fought at light heavy.
Tarver, not a good record, he beat jones twice because of his style, other than that he hasnt done much and was crap against hokins.
I just hope calzaghe gets to fight pavlik and jones (or dawson) after this fight against hopkins.
If calzaghe beats hopkins, pavlik and jones (or dawson, if dawson live sup to his hype, he might not), then i would say he is definately in the top 3 super middleweights of all time, possibly the best. Id say he earns his right to be the number 1 lbs 4 lbs fighter in the world with those wins under his belt (if he can do it), he overtakes mayweather, pacquia and marquez.
Mayweather still has 1 more MASSIVE fight to contend with (other than the rematch against de la hoya, which id say is around 55/45 in matweathers favour), he MUST fight unbeaten banger fernando cotto if he wants to truly relinquish all his opponents and call himself the lbs4lbs number 1.
I think calzaghe has the chance now to fight all the big names in the sport, pavlik, hopkins, jones (not so big anymore though), either woods, tarver, dawson (those 3 at light heavy). If he does this then he has the chance to say he beat EVERYONE around and ducked NO ONE! And that he won every single fight and was totally unbeaten.
Calzaghe has said he only wants 1 or 2 more fights after this one, that sets it up v nicely for a match up against pavlik (who beat jermaine taylor twice, so no point in fighting taylor as pavlik is clearly the better fighter) and then a showdown final fight with roy jones (if jones can beat taylor, jones is set to fight taylor at super middleweight)...so by jones beating taylor he shows that he has the right to step upto calzaghe...this can be calzaghes final and farewell victory, which will be over jones.
No need to fight winky wright as he was beaten comrehensively by hopkins, no need to fight taylor as he was beaten twice by pavlik, so by beating hopkins and pavlik he proves he is better than any of the others aswell...then for a final farewell fight against roy jones jnr (a fight that shoulda happened a decade ago!).
I almost forgot, pacquia is fighting marquez in a rematch! That will be brilliant.
Just my opinions of course. |
I know what your saying mate and im a big Calzaghe fan but the Jones fight he chased for instance, thats if he chased it at all and knowing Warrens tactics he would have asked for rediculous terms knowing Jones people would have said no then he can always say Jones was ducking Calzaghe. Thats what Warren does hes very clever and good at it too.
I rate Joe very highly but he will never get the true recognitioon he deserves because he is only now at the end of his career actually fighting outside of the UK.
Yes i think he would beat Pavlivk and Taylor and Jones but imo Jones is shot and Pavlivk and Taylor although the 2 best middleweights around are not that good as to make you a lb for lb best in the world imo but its just my opinion.
Real boxing is your Hagler, Hearns, Duran and leanord period. Your Marquez, Pacquia, Barrera and Morales period etc etc. Nobody ducking nobody and no excuses they would all have faught each other for pride alone and you can believe that. Of course 10 million dollars helps lol.
Its not Joes fault hes not been in a glamour devision and i still say he would have beat any super middle past and presant.
As for Mayweather and i think you mean Miguel Angel Cotto i think hes made for Mayweather id give Cotto maybe a 20% chance at winning at best.
Mayweather is some fighter and truely the best lb for lb bar none imo. I mean he beat De La Hoya at light middle weight when he started at featherweight i think it was. Thats some skill there especially considering hes not known as a knock out merchant.
Mayweather has the best record around you only have to look to see that.
For me the fights Joe has the options of when he beats Hopkins and i think he will are not big enough names to give him the best lb for lb.
Like i say Jones Jr is way past it. Taylor has got no fight in him at all. Pavlick is a decent fighter but no mega superstar and Tarver is ok when he feels like it.
Ive got lots of respect for Joe and ive been to see him before and hes in the top 5 best lb for lb in the world no doubt but imo should not knock Mayweather off the top.