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w_llewellyn · 29-12-2007, 03:15 AM

I am really trying to stay professional and hang in here, but it is very difficult given your posts. I am starting to realize you are like many self declared experts on the internet - no experience, little background on the subject besides a general interest in bodybuilding and access to pubmed, and a sense of "right" and duty to let everyone else know how smart and correct you are. You simply are not right, and I can see that no amount of time spent proving this to you is going to make a damn of difference. Your mind is made up, and I am a busy many with more things to do than repeat myself over and over again to someone that won't listen.. So this is possibly my last post.

As painful as it was, I read your post and believe these were the relevant points:

The FDA doesn’t care about Americans because it approved VIOXX

No need to respond to this. There are no facts here.

It is a Fact that Half the U.S. population is diabetic

This is not true at all. Only 7% of the U.S. population is diabetic.

We still don’t recommend people take AA if they are diabetic BTW, and sell mainly to a healthy weight training population that are generally weak candidates for adult onset (insulin resistant) diabetes.

There are no AA deficiencies in Bodybuilders

This depends on how you define deficiency. Training does lower AA levels. One study in the MD article you don’t seem to want to read shows AA depletion. There are others I certainly am not going to take the time to find for you. Feel free to look into this yourself.

The body is awesome at trying to maintain homeostasis

Agreed. This says nothing about AA..

Fact, vasoconstriction is a reality with AA

No, facts need to be supported. It isn't a fact because you put those 4 letters in front of it. Case in point, you seem to be wrong about many things in your posts that have the word FACT in front of them.

Here, it is a fact that you are not correct. And for a third time you are ignoring all the safety data to the contrary.

Insulin Resistance is not Good

Agreed. Now show me that AA supplementation in healthy training people does anything of the sort. It doesn’t. Since IL-6 is related to insulin resistance, I can and have shown you data suggesting it does the opposite.

Most people are insulinresistant

Again, very wrong. And also very ignorant of you to say, as you treat the readers like they must be sedentary couch potatoes instead of an active population, which due to lifestyle will likely never suffer from the ills of inactivity like obesity, metabolic syndrome, and adult onset diabetes.

BPH happens to be an inflammatory problem, I am sure that AA is counterproductive to this.

Yes, which is why you shouldn't take it if you have inflammation.

you are saying that X-Factor is site specific as an anabolic responce in muscle tissue only, and not the prostate?

AA is inert itself. Your body will convert it to anabolic substances as needed, mainly in skeletal muscle tissue. It doesn't simply make all your tissues and organs grow or inflame. You should know this. Taking it doesn't cause BPH either.

Your group of people that would be safe to take this product is very small

No, it isn’t at all. Everyone very actively exercising is a candidate so long as they are healthy.

29-12-2007, 03:15 AM	#90 (permalink)
w_llewellyn Newbie Trainer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 36	Re: Molecular Nutrition XFactor I am really trying to stay professional and hang in here, but it is very difficult given your posts. I am starting to realize you are like many self declared experts on the internet - no experience, little background on the subject besides a general interest in bodybuilding and access to pubmed, and a sense of "right" and duty to let everyone else know how smart and correct you are. You simply are not right, and I can see that no amount of time spent proving this to you is going to make a damn of difference. Your mind is made up, and I am a busy many with more things to do than repeat myself over and over again to someone that won't listen.. So this is possibly my last post. As painful as it was, I read your post and believe these were the relevant points: The FDA doesn’t care about Americans because it approved VIOXX No need to respond to this. There are no facts here. It is a Fact that Half the U.S. population is diabetic This is not true at all. Only 7% of the U.S. population is diabetic. We still don’t recommend people take AA if they are diabetic BTW, and sell mainly to a healthy weight training population that are generally weak candidates for adult onset (insulin resistant) diabetes. There are no AA deficiencies in Bodybuilders This depends on how you define deficiency. Training does lower AA levels. One study in the MD article you don’t seem to want to read shows AA depletion. There are others I certainly am not going to take the time to find for you. Feel free to look into this yourself. The body is awesome at trying to maintain homeostasis Agreed. This says nothing about AA.. Fact, vasoconstriction is a reality with AA No, facts need to be supported. It isn't a fact because you put those 4 letters in front of it. Case in point, you seem to be wrong about many things in your posts that have the word FACT in front of them. Here, it is a fact that you are not correct. And for a third time you are ignoring all the safety data to the contrary. Insulin Resistance is not Good Agreed. Now show me that AA supplementation in healthy training people does anything of the sort. It doesn’t. Since IL-6 is related to insulin resistance, I can and have shown you data suggesting it does the opposite. Most people are insulinresistant Again, very wrong. And also very ignorant of you to say, as you treat the readers like they must be sedentary couch potatoes instead of an active population, which due to lifestyle will likely never suffer from the ills of inactivity like obesity, metabolic syndrome, and adult onset diabetes. BPH happens to be an inflammatory problem, I am sure that AA is counterproductive to this. Yes, which is why you shouldn't take it if you have inflammation. you are saying that X-Factor is site specific as an anabolic responce in muscle tissue only, and not the prostate? AA is inert itself. Your body will convert it to anabolic substances as needed, mainly in skeletal muscle tissue. It doesn't simply make all your tissues and organs grow or inflame. You should know this. Taking it doesn't cause BPH either. Your group of people that would be safe to take this product is very small No, it isn’t at all. Everyone very actively exercising is a candidate so long as they are healthy. Last edited by w_llewellyn; 29-12-2007 at 03:24 AM.