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**hackskii** · 02-10-2007, 10:32 PM

You could run some test for a month or so to wait for that all to clear, switching to the shorter esters while you taper that down.
One problem with being on androgens at above physiological levels makes you used to the androgens, once you come off you end up with a kind of androgen withdrawal.
Tapering at the end of a long cycle is very prudent advice. But most people will disagree.
But I have seen dudes crash so freaking bad it is one of the ugliest things I ever saw and I truly feel sorry for them.

So, you have some options here.
First of all I was getting morning wood on 100mg of clomid, when I dropped it after a couple of weeks to 50, I stopped getting morning wood.
Run the clomid @ 100mg for 30 days.
Run the nolva @ 20mg for 45 days.

The whole crux of recovery hinges around testicular function.
So, you could try and do something like what you are thinking, or any variation.
The biggest problem with HCG is its heavy aromatization and much of that is in the testicles. It will raise test levels big time but even more so estrogen. This boost of estrogen in the nuts is a bad thing; this is where we get in to trouble with desentization issues with the Leydig cells.
HCG and aromatization is dose dependant.
One thing that kind of protects the nuts from desentization is nolva.
So, you can do something like 500iu a day for a few weeks, that might just do it as that would just over 10,000iu.
For me it takes over 10,000iu for me to recover, closer to around 20,000 actually, but that is at the end of the cycle.
If you use it during you would need far less.

Take 1,000iu of Vitamin E a day too, do not use aspirin during the use of HCG, take your IGF-1 and HGH with no problems and this will help things along too.

The most important thing is to get the nuts recovered.
One way to test this is once you come off gear and do the HCG you can have blood drawn to see where your test levels are.
If they are anywhere near your normal base levels you can stop the HCG and continue with the clomid and nolva.

If you are considering taking 1500iu then maybe you might want to consider taking nolva with the Aromasin to help protect those Leydig cells. You wont recover while on testosterone but you can bring the nuts back to life while you are waiting out the clearance of the other stuff you were taking.
Also it would not be a bad idea to switch to shorter acting esters like propionate at the end, this way you only wait 3 days before starting PCT.

Or you can wait till you are done then do a more aggressive approach with the HCG.

What was the total length of time on cycle?

02-10-2007, 10:32 PM	#30 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,676	Re: Understanding PCT You could run some test for a month or so to wait for that all to clear, switching to the shorter esters while you taper that down. One problem with being on androgens at above physiological levels makes you used to the androgens, once you come off you end up with a kind of androgen withdrawal. Tapering at the end of a long cycle is very prudent advice. But most people will disagree. But I have seen dudes crash so freaking bad it is one of the ugliest things I ever saw and I truly feel sorry for them. So, you have some options here. First of all I was getting morning wood on 100mg of clomid, when I dropped it after a couple of weeks to 50, I stopped getting morning wood. Run the clomid @ 100mg for 30 days. Run the nolva @ 20mg for 45 days. The whole crux of recovery hinges around testicular function. So, you could try and do something like what you are thinking, or any variation. The biggest problem with HCG is its heavy aromatization and much of that is in the testicles. It will raise test levels big time but even more so estrogen. This boost of estrogen in the nuts is a bad thing; this is where we get in to trouble with desentization issues with the Leydig cells. HCG and aromatization is dose dependant. One thing that kind of protects the nuts from desentization is nolva. So, you can do something like 500iu a day for a few weeks, that might just do it as that would just over 10,000iu. For me it takes over 10,000iu for me to recover, closer to around 20,000 actually, but that is at the end of the cycle. If you use it during you would need far less. Take 1,000iu of Vitamin E a day too, do not use aspirin during the use of HCG, take your IGF-1 and HGH with no problems and this will help things along too. The most important thing is to get the nuts recovered. One way to test this is once you come off gear and do the HCG you can have blood drawn to see where your test levels are. If they are anywhere near your normal base levels you can stop the HCG and continue with the clomid and nolva. If you are considering taking 1500iu then maybe you might want to consider taking nolva with the Aromasin to help protect those Leydig cells. You wont recover while on testosterone but you can bring the nuts back to life while you are waiting out the clearance of the other stuff you were taking. Also it would not be a bad idea to switch to shorter acting esters like propionate at the end, this way you only wait 3 days before starting PCT. Or you can wait till you are done then do a more aggressive approach with the HCG. What was the total length of time on cycle? __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.