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Old 21-08-2007, 07:20 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: Flax, fish oils, or Udo's

LA deficiency is actually a bit rare, because our intake of LA has doubled during the last 50 years, due to increased intake of polyunsaturated oils, mainly corn and safflower.
If anything, our intake of LA is too high. Although it is essential to health, studies show that excessive consumption of LA promotes tumor growth and cancer.
LNA deficiency affects upwards of 95 percent of the population.
Our intake of LNA has decreased to one-sixth of the prevailing level in 1850.
While excess LA promotes tumor growth LNA inhibits it. LNA also inhibits tissue inflammation and increases metabolic rate and energy level, helping in weight loss.

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Originally Posted by Tony Barnes View Post
The concern over what happens to the ratios in a diet generally tend to not be based on actually working it out. e.g prior to adding Udos, Mr X has 1g of omega 3 and 20g of omega 6 in his normal diet. He then adds in 60ml of Udos. He now has 33g of omega 3 and 35g of omega 6 in his diet. i.e. it has shifted to being closer to 1:1. Following your example, sticking in 12g of fish oil, he would now have 13g (probably less, depends on the oils) of omega 3 and 20g of omega 6 - a ratio of 1:1.5.
Ok, I can see your point here but honestly it is skewed. Beings that Udo’s uses flax as its main Omega 3, and flax needs to convert to Omega 3 at the ratio of about 1/10th the conversion so 90% of your equation is lost. Instead of 33 grams of Omega 3 in your Udo’s you are actually getting just 3.3 grams of Omega 3’s and still you are adding 35 grams of Omega 6’s which toss the ratio much higher to around 12 to 1 or 4.3 grams of Omega 3 to 55 grams of Omega 6.
Again supplementing an Omega 6 to the diet that is already rich in Omega 6’s seems reckless to me.
Again for eicosanoid production the ratio is between 1/1 to ¼.

One other thing, much of Udo’s is seed oil, I buy peanuts, almonds, and have a avocado tree.
Why would I buy a processed seed oil when I can get the benefits of protein and carbohydrates along with the oils in the seeds in their natural state?

I don’t think there is much concern for over doing Omega 3’s, Eskimo diets are totally rich in Omega 3’s and they have the lowest incidence of heart disease, stroke, hell even cavities, depression, you name it.
I feel the burden is really on the vegetable oil industry that adds Omega 6’s to everything including potato chips.

I know we got started on this on the other debate but flax, and soy, is known to have a phytoestrogen in them.
Some men this weak estrogen can trigger gyno type conditions.
In others with more aromatization going on flax and soy do tend to act as an anti-estrogen.
As you know bodybuilding and estrogen are some concern for many.
Very lean guys will have low estrogen but still adding in some flax and soy could potentially elevate estrogen in their bodies.
Estrogen is about 200 times as suppressive as testosterone to the HPTA
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