Originally Posted by Tinytom

What Lorian is getting at is that when you have something that works well all the time and needs little work to keep it running smoothly you get used to it and it becomes normal.

Like driving a ferrari everyday would eventually get boring and you'd welcome the chance to give a racing mini a quick spin.

'Nice guys' do everything for their woman and therefore become just another thing that the woman owns because it is always available for use.

Now the guy who sometimes gets angry and shouts or sometimes goes out with his mates and doesn't call or who sometimes forgets an important date, that requires work and mental input from the woman in order to 'fix' the problem. This creates a stimulus and the woman is rewarded in herself when th eman conforms and runs smoothly for a while until the next breakdown.

The same is true when you reverse the scenario.

A nice guy who never displays his 'male' side but instead is docile and subservient to the womans needs becomes a plaything which eventually leads the woman to discard him for a more enjoyable and exciting model.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor violence and agression towards anyone in a relationship but you've got to have some sort of spark to keep th erelationship going, everyone is human and everyone likes to feel needed and wanted, the 'nice guy' traditionally will get by on less attention from the female than she gives to him. Therefore the relationship is not equal due to this subconcious arrangment.