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**hackskii** · 17-05-2006, 10:21 PM

Leave that nolvadex in the PCT.
Do the clomid and nolvadex together there is good reasons for this.
If you are worried about it at all take some HGH with your PCT, actually HCG, HGH, clomid and nolvadex make a crackin PCT, probably the best.

Yes nolva will lower IGF-1 but your hypothalamus and pituitary glands are shutdown, the object is to get the nuts online first then while the nuts are comming online (this takes the longest) then the pituitary and hypothalmus will be stimulated by nolva and clomid.
Clomid is a agonist and antagonist of estrogen so in theory it is great for firing up the hypothalamus but can supress the pituitary (from what I have read), this is where the nolvadex comes in, it allows this to not happen.

A good PCT should take around 45 days to get all the HPTA rollin good. Without PCT you might take anywhere between 6 to 18 months to recover.

You can take the IGF-1 with the cycle or with PCT.
Thing is with IGF-1 it can cause hyperplasia, where as steroids cause hypertrophy the diffrence is one builds bigger muscles and the other builds more muscles. I dont think I explained that right, but you get the idea.
Hyperplasia=IGF-1
Hypertrophy=steroids

So either way really.
Working out raises all of those test, IGF, GH, so anywhere around 35 to 45 minutes of intense training in the gym makes this happen naturally.

I noticed I thought I got a bit leaner during IGF-1 use, during my PCT.
But just run the clomid and nolvadex as planned.
Nolva actually can improve lipid profile, as you know gear use can hammer your lipid profile so there is some plusses and minuses.

Another thing, testosterone raises IGF-1 and not the other way around. HGH also raises IGF-1 as well.
HGH if taken with HCG can benefit testicular recovery and function making PCT more productive, not only that but put you in positive nitrogen ballance during your pct which is a good thing and some good fat loss which also is a good thing.

So, either way you choose is fine.

17-05-2006, 10:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,180	Leave that nolvadex in the PCT. Do the clomid and nolvadex together there is good reasons for this. If you are worried about it at all take some HGH with your PCT, actually HCG, HGH, clomid and nolvadex make a crackin PCT, probably the best. Yes nolva will lower IGF-1 but your hypothalamus and pituitary glands are shutdown, the object is to get the nuts online first then while the nuts are comming online (this takes the longest) then the pituitary and hypothalmus will be stimulated by nolva and clomid. Clomid is a agonist and antagonist of estrogen so in theory it is great for firing up the hypothalamus but can supress the pituitary (from what I have read), this is where the nolvadex comes in, it allows this to not happen. A good PCT should take around 45 days to get all the HPTA rollin good. Without PCT you might take anywhere between 6 to 18 months to recover. You can take the IGF-1 with the cycle or with PCT. Thing is with IGF-1 it can cause hyperplasia, where as steroids cause hypertrophy the diffrence is one builds bigger muscles and the other builds more muscles. I dont think I explained that right, but you get the idea. Hyperplasia=IGF-1 Hypertrophy=steroids So either way really. Working out raises all of those test, IGF, GH, so anywhere around 35 to 45 minutes of intense training in the gym makes this happen naturally. I noticed I thought I got a bit leaner during IGF-1 use, during my PCT. But just run the clomid and nolvadex as planned. Nolva actually can improve lipid profile, as you know gear use can hammer your lipid profile so there is some plusses and minuses. Another thing, testosterone raises IGF-1 and not the other way around. HGH also raises IGF-1 as well. HGH if taken with HCG can benefit testicular recovery and function making PCT more productive, not only that but put you in positive nitrogen ballance during your pct which is a good thing and some good fat loss which also is a good thing. So, either way you choose is fine. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 17-05-2006 at 10:25 PM.