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Tatyana · 12-02-2006, 01:01 AM

Scott,
I would like to see the full papers please that you have reference, send me the abstracts or copies as there are a number of issues I think need to be addresses.

Firstly, in a number of 'physiological studies' in which people are used for diet and exercise, the sample sizes are quite small, often around 10, and for science to be statistically robust, sample sizes of 30 are required! It is a BIG problem because scientific funding is often limited, especially in the areas of nutrition.

Large populations samples are required as there is also a HUGE issue with participant compliance, people may be paid to participate in studies, and as we all know, people lie about their diets, how much they are eating.................................

I also need to figure out how you do that quote thing..

In the Benoit study, I would call this an absolutely B*llux study, comparing fasting and high fat!!!!!! Of course the people who actually bloody ate were going to fare better! DOH! I think that there would be BIG issues with compliance unless all the participants were kept in the lab, and how long did they make these poor buggers fast for? I really want to see the method on this one (and the ethics approval as well!). It is well established that fasting is the same as starvation, and starvations makes the body go into fat storage mode.

Charlotte Young, well again a really mean diet, so calorie restrictive, YUCK.
AGain how many participants, and the difference in the weight loss, comparing 2.73 lbs to 3.73 lbs or even if it is in Kg, that is only a 1-2 lb difference, not really significant. That difference could easily be accounted for in normal physiological variation, or ONE BIG DUMP! LOL

Also the Charlotte Young obese woman study, the weight difference of 12.31-14.51 lbs, again not a huge difference. 2 pounds or 1 kg. One litre of water weighs 1 kg, and in all honesty, I have seen my weight jump up and down by 1-2 kg from one day to the next.

There is so much BAD SCIENCE out there that is being published (old boy's network, sponserd by big business, drug companies), one of the major things that we are taught in science is how to read a bloody paper, scientific literacy, which is very similar to media literacy. Just because it is print does not make it valid. We rip the s*it out of papers almost every week in my masters, dodgy statistics, bad control groups, not large enough sample sizes.

Man just look what bloody Andrew Wakefield did with his autism/MMR jab study of 12 kids! He also had conflicting interests as he was a part of the group that was trying to sue the manufacturer of the immunisation. It has now taken untold amounts of money to perform HUGE population studies all over the world to demonstrate that his paper was basically BAD SCIENCE and should have NEVER BEEN PUBLISHED.

THe untold amount of damage to his paper is still to be seen as one of the only known causes of autism in intrauterine assault (damage to the baby while in mom's tum) if she has a rubella infection!!!!!! And MMR stands for measles, mumps and rubella! People forget in this day and age just how hideous, dangereous and lethal these childhood infections can be because immunisations has been so successful.

Don't get me wrong, I do think that it is a bit unnatural for the immune system to encounter so many infectious diseases at once, rubella is not really needed until pre-adolescense, and there are issues with some of the substances that the tenuated viruses are suspended in, but for the better part of an entire generation of children to unprotected from these diseases!

I am not opposed to low carb diets, in fact I use carb cycling, which means I do have some low carb days in my competition diet, I also use carb tapering.

The insulin thing you have spoken of is important, yes, however, NOT ALL CARBOHYDRATES ARE EQUAL EITHER! Complex carbohydrates in combination with protein do not create the severe insulin spike that you speak of!

Eat some brown rice man!!!!

Yah know I love yah you fat middle aged fc-uker

(just so wanted to use that smilie) LOL

So let the debate continue!

Respect

Big Love

T
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12-02-2006, 01:01 AM	#42 (permalink)
Tatyana My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On my bloody bike doing cardio Posts: 3,475	I had a closer look at the studies Scott, I would like to see the full papers please that you have reference, send me the abstracts or copies as there are a number of issues I think need to be addresses. Firstly, in a number of 'physiological studies' in which people are used for diet and exercise, the sample sizes are quite small, often around 10, and for science to be statistically robust, sample sizes of 30 are required! It is a BIG problem because scientific funding is often limited, especially in the areas of nutrition. Large populations samples are required as there is also a HUGE issue with participant compliance, people may be paid to participate in studies, and as we all know, people lie about their diets, how much they are eating................................. I also need to figure out how you do that quote thing.. In the Benoit study, I would call this an absolutely Bllux study, comparing fasting and high fat!!!!!! Of course the people who actually bloody ate were going to fare better! DOH! I think that there would be BIG issues with compliance unless all the participants were kept in the lab, and how long did they make these poor buggers fast for? I really want to see the method on this one (and the ethics approval as well!). It is well established that fasting is the same as starvation, and starvations makes the body go into fat storage mode. Charlotte Young, well again a really mean diet, so calorie restrictive, YUCK. AGain how many participants, and the difference in the weight loss, comparing 2.73 lbs to 3.73 lbs or even if it is in Kg, that is only a 1-2 lb difference, not really significant. That difference could easily be accounted for in normal physiological variation, or ONE BIG DUMP! LOL Also the Charlotte Young obese woman study, the weight difference of 12.31-14.51 lbs, again not a huge difference. 2 pounds or 1 kg. One litre of water weighs 1 kg, and in all honesty, I have seen my weight jump up and down by 1-2 kg from one day to the next. There is so much BAD SCIENCE out there that is being published (old boy's network, sponserd by big business, drug companies), one of the major things that we are taught in science is how to read a bloody paper, scientific literacy, which is very similar to media literacy. Just because it is print does not make it valid. We rip the sit out of papers almost every week in my masters, dodgy statistics, bad control groups, not large enough sample sizes. Man just look what bloody Andrew Wakefield did with his autism/MMR jab study of 12 kids! He also had conflicting interests as he was a part of the group that was trying to sue the manufacturer of the immunisation. It has now taken untold amounts of money to perform HUGE population studies all over the world to demonstrate that his paper was basically BAD SCIENCE and should have NEVER BEEN PUBLISHED. THe untold amount of damage to his paper is still to be seen as one of the only known causes of autism in intrauterine assault (damage to the baby while in mom's tum) if she has a rubella infection!!!!!! And MMR stands for measles, mumps and rubella! People forget in this day and age just how hideous, dangereous and lethal these childhood infections can be because immunisations has been so successful. Don't get me wrong, I do think that it is a bit unnatural for the immune system to encounter so many infectious diseases at once, rubella is not really needed until pre-adolescense, and there are issues with some of the substances that the tenuated viruses are suspended in, but for the better part of an entire generation of children to unprotected from these diseases! I am not opposed to low carb diets, in fact I use carb cycling, which means I do have some low carb days in my competition diet, I also use carb tapering. The insulin thing you have spoken of is important, yes, however, NOT ALL CARBOHYDRATES ARE EQUAL EITHER! Complex carbohydrates in combination with protein do not create the severe insulin spike that you speak of! Eat some brown rice man!!!! Yah know I love yah you fat middle aged fc-uker (just so wanted to use that smilie) LOL So let the debate continue! Respect Big Love T x x x