That article was nicely written but I do see some flaws in it.
Not picking on the article but coming from Swale's end that does allot of blood work; I have a problem with the post as it contradicts what Swale suggests for instance.
First advising the use of 1500iu of HCG is just too much.
This is a direct quote from his article on HCG. For those who do not know Dr. Swale he is a HRT Dr and probably one of the best in the world. He even teaches endocrinologists in lectures. Now that we know his background I feel he is more qualified in his field than any other poster on boards. Not only that this is his job and he looks at blood work every day.
His quote:
“It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.
All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).”
QD is every 3 days and this is just the way he writes it for some reason I don’t know but it is every 3 days.
Here is another of his Quotes from a different article.
His quote:
“I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) every third day, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. This is infinitely better than waiting until they have seriously atrophied. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. This drives up estrogen levels, unopposed by increased testosterone production. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).
If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.”
As you can see here there is direct contradiction between and I would take Swale’s advice over pretty much any others. He has used gear too so I do think he has more credibility too.
First off Jenetic suggests it is length that causes desensitizing and not amount. Swale on the other hand suggests it is amount and not length.
Let’s do the math here.
1500x 3 times a week is 4500iu for 3 weeks (21 days).
250 every 3 days is 2000iu 22 days.
Less than half was used. If he did say “(I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).” Why use more?
Ok the issue of nandrolones and prolactin.
I e-mailed him (Swale) on this issue directly here is his e-mail to me:
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Originally Posted by SWALE I have never seen deca elevate PRL.
Prog inhibits the conversion to DHT. DHT opposes estrogen by several different mechanisms.
I have to get back to work now... . |
Ok, the PRL is abbreviated for prolactin and the Prog is abbreviated for progesterone.
I was suggesting to him about prolactin and shutdown and my supplementation of progesterone as suggested by my HRT Dr.
Now here is another E-mail I got from him on progesterone.
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Originally Posted by SWALE If you feel better on progesterone, then do what works for you, of course. there is something else going on there, as prog enhances estrogenic effects, not inhibits same.
you might want to share with the other Bro that it makes no sense to take dostinex with tren, etc. inhibiting natural production has no benefit while supplementing a hormone's agonist. the body does that on its own, if necessary, and you risk lowering prolactin too much. this compromises immune function and also puts the LH receptors at risk.
HPTA-suppression from deca definitely is due to progestogenic effects there.
prog inhibits DHT, and that leaves estrogen to its feminizing features. simple as that . |
So in my interpritation of this all, either Swale is wrong or Jenetic is wrong as niether one can be correct.
I also use small amounts of HCG myself and do notice good results using the amounts Swale suggests.